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So, to you, does that mean while it's wrong for a business to deny service to somebody because of his black skin, it's okay for the same business to deny service to somebody because he happens to be gay?
He didn't deny service because he was gay. He doesn't support homosexual marriage for religious reasons, so he didn't want to be a party to it because of his moral convictions. He does serve gays, but to avoid this in the future, he decided to stop making wedding cakes. I'm sure gays are welcome to come in and get cookies or any kind of baked goods he sells.
No matter how it is phrased, the answer has to be YES! It is, of course, proper for a business man to deny service to ANYBODY for ANY reason!
It is called FREEDOM!
You don't have FREEDOM to break the law. He broke the anti-discrimination laws.
If you don't like the law elect people who will change it, but, having to follow it does not impinge on your FREEDOM.
Does prohibition of shoplifting make you less free?
You don't have FREEDOM to break the law. He broke the anti-discrimination laws.
If you don't like the law elect people who will change it, but, having to follow it does not impinge on your FREEDOM.
Does prohibition of shoplifting make you less free?
Could you possibly attempt a more ridiculous analogy?
What is it that you idiots don't understand about this issue? It's HIS business. In my opinion, this is a stupid and trivial issue, but obviously this business owner disagrees. THAT'S HIS RIGHT!
And regarding THE LAW IS THE LAW!!!!!111 argument, save it. Slavery was once the law, and so was Jim Crow. Hell, it wasn't until relatively recent times that forcibly raping your wife was illegal. Law is not infallible.
The business is ordered to train its employees on what Colorado anti-discrimination law says and how to comply with the law, and FoxNews reports that the baker has been ordered to undergo "sensitivity" training.
I don't know what Fox news has to do with it. It seems to me that forcing a private business owner to take sensitivity training is unconstitutional. The Federal government should be protecting this business owner from the overreaching of this judge/state.
Here is how the Civil Rights Act reads:
The Federal Civil Rights Act guarantees all people the right to "full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin."
I do not see sexual orientation in there.
This business owner has the full right not to serve homosexuals if it goes against his religious beliefs. You cannot break one amendment to uphold another based on personal preference.
On the other hand, homosexuals, and anyone else, can choose not to do business with said business.
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You don't have FREEDOM to break the law. He broke the anti-discrimination laws.
I don't know what Fox news has to do with it. It seems to me that forcing a private business owner to take sensitivity training is unconstitutional.
I mentioned FoxNews because the OP linked to a FoxNews article that said the baker was ordered to undergo "sensitivity training." That is a LIE.
The business was ordered to conduct "staff training” regarding public accommodations discrimination law and how to comply with it.
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The Federal government should be protecting this business owner from the overreaching of this judge/state.
Here is how the Civil Rights Act reads:
The Federal Civil Rights Act guarantees all people the right to "full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin."
I do not see sexual orientation in there.
How is the federal Civil Rights Act relevant here? The suit alleged he violated Colorado law, not federal law.
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This business owner has the full right not to serve homosexuals if it goes against his religious beliefs. You cannot break one amendment to uphold another based on personal preference.
No, businesses of public accommodation do not have the right not to serve homosexuals in Colorado.
How is the federal Civil Rights Act relevant here? The suit alleged he violated Colorado law, not federal law.
Forgive me but doesn't Federal Civil Rights Law trump state laws?
It's legal to smoke weed in Colorado too, but the Feds can come in and arrest anyone doing it.
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No, businesses of public accommodation do not have the right not to serve homosexuals in Colorado.
And until the Federal Civil Rights Law is changed to reflect this, yes they do. In fact, if you look up the First Amendment http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Exercise_Clause, you'll see that it is the Federal governments charter to protect this business owners religious beliefs.
Forgive me but doesn't Federal Civil Rights Law trump state laws?
Depends on the law; sometimes yes, but usually not. Very often, Federal Laws set minimums. No state law can undo those minimums, but state laws can certainly go beyond those minimums.
Nothing in the Civil Rights Act of 1964 indicates that it was intended to preempt state law in this area, nor has any court case ever ruled that it operates as a field preemption.
Michigan's anti-discrimination law is a fun one - it adds height and weight as protected classes.
Depends on the law; sometimes yes, but usually not. Very often, Federal Laws set minimums. No state law can undo those minimums, but state laws can certainly go beyond those minimums.
Nothing in the Civil Rights Act of 1964 indicated that it was intended to preempt state law in this area, nor has any court case ever ruled that it operates as a field preemption.
Michigan's anti-discrimination law is a fun one - it adds height and weight as protected classes.
Michigan's is for hiring.......and PUBLIC things....buses...trains....hospitals...things the directly get public money.
Ordered by judge to attend "sensitivity training" so now if you don't agree with the homosexuals you can be sentenced to brainwashing. Over the top.
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