Climate change deniers are gambling with our future. (generations, money, claim)

[Mircea]

Originally Posted by sanspeur

Of the 2,258 peer-reviewed papers that have been published on the subject of climate change between November 2012 and December 2013, representing the positions of 9,136 authors, exactly one of those, written by a single Russian scientist, rejected the idea that climate change is caused by human activity. But none of this has stopped or even slowed down the professional skeptics.

Not denying AGW is not tantamount to supporting AGW.

Papers like these....

A knowledge-aid approach for designing high-performance buildings

A new static lighting concentrator with optical coupler

A Reflection on Moral Distress in Nursing Together With a Current Application of the Concept

Aflatoxins in home produced cereals?

An Ant Colony Algorithm for efficient ship routing

College students' understanding of atmospheric ozone formation

Creation of Carbon Credits by Water Saving

Energy efficient residential house wall system

Environmental comparison of draught animal and tractor power

...merely mention AGW in passing, and you claim is proof.

Intensional

The mistake of treating different descriptions or names of the same object as equivalent even in those contexts in which the differences between them matter.

Climate Change != AGW

The fact that you had to re-brand your pseudo-science with a new logo in an attempt to sell it to the Stupid® is telling indeed.

Originally Posted by sanspeur

None of these things will matter if global warming in not addressed soon.

Ignoring pseudo-science is addressing "global warming."

Originally Posted by sanspeur

Are you really willing to risk your grandchildren's future on your belief that all those scientists are wrong?

They are wrong. Nothing to risk.

Originally Posted by sanspeur

A lot of the prediction are happening now, like increased flooding in some areas, drought in others, more intense heat waves, melting ice, rising sea levels, etc

None of those things prove global warming.

Nothing has changed, rather things are being documented, recorded and reported.

Tornadoes are a great example.

If a tornado touches down in a farmer's field, and no one witnesses it, and there is no Doppler Radar to record it, did the tornado actually exist?

That's the level of stupidity of AGW supporters.

Was the US & Canada covered in Doppler Radar in the early part of the 20th Century?

No, because Doppler Radar didn't even exist.

When Doppler Radar began to saturate both counties in the 1990s, stupid people thought the number of tornadoes was increasing.

No.

The incidence of tornadoes did not increase, but the ability to record/document them did.

This is no different than cancer. The incidence of cancer did not increase, rather the ability of Medicine to diagnose and detect cancer increased -- entirely due to new medical technologies.

Like cancer, the increase in tornadoes was apparent, not real.

Originally Posted by sanspeur

....These are indisputable facts, and there has been no pause in warming...That is a lie.

That is a ...

Misrepresentation

If the misrepresentation occurs on purpose, then it is an example of lying. If the misrepresentation occurs during a debate in which there is misrepresentation of the opponent’s claim, then it would be the cause of a straw man fallacy.

During an Inter-Glacial Period, temperatures are supposed to rise.

Originally Posted by sanspeur

Do you know what effect that had on the temperature of the planet?....

Do you realize you just admitted you are a control-freak?

I get it.....I do....it's a psycho-social phenomenon.

When people are unable to control their lives, then they seek out people to control. Usually that is their own children, but if that fails, then they start in on other family, friends, co-workers, whatever they can seize...and it usually fails, or doesn't provide a satisfactory sense of control.

So then they seize on anything that they think will give them control over others. Lot of "Group-Think" involved.

Originally Posted by sanspeur

During the last interglacial period, 125,000 years ago, sea level was at least several meters higher than at present, so what do you suppose it was the last time CO2 was 7000ppm during the Cambrian period?

It doesn't matter.....but thank you for proving beyond any reasonable doubt you have no understanding of natural science, specifically: plate tectonics, geology, geography or climatology.

Straw Man

Your reasoning contains the straw man fallacy whenever you attribute an easily refuted position to your opponent, one that the opponent wouldn’t endorse, and then proceed to attack the easily refuted position (the straw man) believing you have undermined the opponent’s actual position. If the misrepresentation is on purpose, then the straw man fallacy is caused by lying.


You are now forced to admit that you are a liar, or that you are ignorant.

So which is it?

23 Million years ago, a couple of the South American tectonic plates moved northward crashing into the North American tectonic plates, creating the Isthmus of Panama.

That one act, forever -- at least in human terms -- changed the climate of Earth.

Seawater from the South Polar Region could no longer circulate around the South American continent, and instead was shunted northward across the equator into the Northern Hemisphere.

You also have the Antarctic Continent moving into its present position, and since a continent can hold tons more ice than seas, a huge ice mass starts forming.

And so now you are locked into a cycle of pre-Glacial Period, Glacial Period, post-Glacial Period and inter-Glacial Period.

This cycle repeats everyone 120,000 to 125,000 years....



...giving us Normal Earth.

That is what Earth looks like 90% of the time during the pre-Glacial Period, Glacial Period and post-Glacial Period.

It's only during the brief 10% of the time that you have this inter-Glacial Period....with significantly fewer glaciers.

Originally Posted by sanspeur

So you are saying that climate scientists are alarmists?...Do I have that right?

Yes, and here is the proof...




.....that little blue bit is the, um, "change in temperature" that you are fussing over.

Freaking mere tenths of a degree Celsius (or Fahrenheit).


That is not even 1° Fahrenheit.

I do this to show some of the NAZI-style propaganda and disinformation techniques used by AGW supporters.

Starting with the change of term from AGW to Climate Change, any scientific article which mentions AGW is considered proof of AGW, even if AGW is only mentioned in passing and then the data when graphed is always presented in a manner that over-exaggerates and distorts the Truth, while attempting to hide the fact that his alarmist temperature change is only mere tenths of degrees Celsius or Fahrenheit.

Originally Posted by rbohm

you do also realize that 125,000 yearsa ago the global mean temperature was WARMER than today dont you? you also do realize that 75,000 years ago the world was forced into an ice with the eruption of the super volcano toba right?

Originally Posted by sanspeur

So what? That has nothing to do with what is happening today.

Yes, it does........which part "cycle" do you not understand?

Originally Posted by sanspeur

You cannot be serious...Do you actually think that the condtions that existed then would have no effect on today's civilization?

It doesn't matter.

All that matters is that this is part of a continual on-going cycle for the last 23 Millions, and you are powerless to control it.


Let me guess.....you're going to get together with the Russians, and develop a new class of Atomic Demolition Munitions which you can detonate sub-surface by drilling through the sea-floor so you can destroy the country of Panama and the Panamanian Isthmus to create a huge 100 mile channel so ocean currents can circulate between the North and South American continents and change the climate cycles.

You know, with all the money wasted on AGW, you could have perfected an IFR (Integral Fast Reactor) which is a nuclear power plant. Because it is a breeder reactor instead of a fission reactor, there is no "waste"...since the waste produced by breeder reactors is fuel for other breeder reactors. Take the "waste" from 6-8 breeder reactors and you have fuel for one breeder reactor.

The US was leading research on IFRs when the environmentally-challenged duo of Clinton-Gore cancelled all funding.

I mention that to highlight both the irony and hypocrisy of the Gorebot, who is one of the leading proponents of this farcical AGW nonsense.

Note that IFRs are designed in such a way that the plutonium waste cannot be used for nuclear weapons.

All bets are off...

Mircea

[Pretzelogik]

The Threat to Earth from Asteroids and Comets - Pan-Starrs - Panoramic Survey Telescope & Rapid Response System If you really want to get your panties in a wad...try this. Or this http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/cu...-eruptions.htm

[cruxan]

Originally Posted by sanspeur

None of these things will matter if global warming in not addressed soon.

if we don't control population climate change wont matter when you're doomed anyhow..

[cruxan]

Originally Posted by sanspeur

Of the 2,258 peer-reviewed papers that have been published on the subject of climate change between November 2012 and December 2013, representing the positions of 9,136 authors, exactly one of those, written by a single Russian scientist, rejected the idea that climate change is caused by human activity. But none of this has stopped or even slowed down the professional skeptics. In fact the Heartland Institute just announced the 9th International Conference on Climate Change at the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. The event is being billed as an “International Gathering of Scientists Skeptical of Man-Caused Global Warming.”

Previous versions of this conference have been heavily funded by ExxonMobil, the Koch Brothers and the conservative Scaife Foundation, receiving as much as $67 million from these groups. This year’s event is likely to be little different. Which, of course gets us to the point of circle-jerk events like this one. It’s big oil behind the scenes, keeping that steady drumbeat of doubt going. Doubt and inaction go hand in hand.

Nick Cohen at the Guardian claims that the deniers have already won. Perhaps the fact that we are even having this conversation in 2014 supports his assertion. Of course, the part that they won’t figure out until it’s too late is that if they win, we all lose. The fact that by doing all they can to suppress effective action on greenhouse gas emissions means, of course, that they are gambling with the future of the planet, in hopes that the one guy out of 9,136 was right. What better place to do that than Las Vegas?
Undeterred By Facts, Climate Deniers Will Carry the Torch to Las Vegas

sounds like we humans are causing all the climate change could you give me a percentage of how much we humans are changing the climate..

climate has been changing since the birth of the planet. man was not around most of the time that climates were changing...

[Redraven]

I will ask the same old question AGAIN:

IF the predictions of the CAGW cult are really true, WHY is nothing being done to alleviate the inevitable consequences of the climate change?
If what I read from the CAGW cultists is true, we may well have passed the "tipping point", and NOTHING can be done to stop the changes, they WILL occur, no matter what mankind tries to do. IF that is true, WHY is nothing being done to adapt to the inevitable changes?
WHY all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over what may very well be unstoppable, but NO actual attempts at adaptation?
WHAT ARE "THEY" WAITING FOR??

[Roadking2003]

Originally Posted by chuckmann

OR

There's the fricking NIPPC work found HERE

Settled science indeed. Nor like your and your ilk will ever read it.

AGW Alarmists: "The NIPPC isn't supported by government; therefore it cannot be true."

[Roadking2003]

Originally Posted by cruxan

sounds like we humans are causing all the climate change could you give me a percentage of how much we humans are changing the climate..

climate has been changing since the birth of the planet. man was not around most of the time that climates were changing...

Just the right amount to justify more laws and more government regulation and more taxes.

[sanspeur]

Originally Posted by Redraven

I will ask the same old question AGAIN:

IF the predictions of the CAGW cult are really true, WHY is nothing being done to alleviate the inevitable consequences of the climate change?
If what I read from the CAGW cultists is true, we may well have passed the "tipping point", and NOTHING can be done to stop the changes, they WILL occur, no matter what mankind tries to do. IF that is true, WHY is nothing being done to adapt to the inevitable changes?
WHY all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over what may very well be unstoppable, but NO actual attempts at adaptation?
WHAT ARE "THEY" WAITING FOR??

THEY? Are you not one of THEM? The reason that governments are dragging their feet is in large part because the fossil fuel corporation's denial effort has turned this into a political battle by hoodwinking the ignorant and the self interested with nonsense.

[sanspeur]

Originally Posted by T-310

Yeah, El Nino.

Happens all the time.

What El Nino? There is no El Nino now.

[Southern man]

Originally Posted by sanspeur

Of the 2,258 peer-reviewed papers that have been published on the subject of climate change between November 2012 and December 2013, representing the positions of 9,136 authors, exactly one of those, written by a single Russian scientist, rejected the idea that climate change is caused by human activity. But none of this has stopped or even slowed down the professional skeptics. In fact the Heartland Institute just announced the 9th International Conference on Climate Change at the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. The event is being billed as an “International Gathering of Scientists Skeptical of Man-Caused Global Warming.”

Previous versions of this conference have been heavily funded by ExxonMobil, the Koch Brothers and the conservative Scaife Foundation, receiving as much as $67 million from these groups. This year’s event is likely to be little different. Which, of course gets us to the point of circle-jerk events like this one. It’s big oil behind the scenes, keeping that steady drumbeat of doubt going. Doubt and inaction go hand in hand.

Nick Cohen at the Guardian claims that the deniers have already won. Perhaps the fact that we are even having this conversation in 2014 supports his assertion. Of course, the part that they won’t figure out until it’s too late is that if they win, we all lose. The fact that by doing all they can to suppress effective action on greenhouse gas emissions means, of course, that they are gambling with the future of the planet, in hopes that the one guy out of 9,136 was right. What better place to do that than Las Vegas?
Undeterred By Facts, Climate Deniers Will Carry the Torch to Las Vegas

When the government hands out money to do research and it knows what it wants to hear, its just job security. No grants, no job.