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The above are about how much CO2 the oceans release when warm and shows how the oceans warm.
Something that has always struck me as odd is man can't eradicate cockroaches though we have tried to do so for years. If we can't kill cockroaches how in hell are we going to kill a planet on which we are infinitesimal?
"The sky is falling" scenario played out by global warming/CC enthusiasts is humorous. What if a meteor is posed to hit the earth as has happened several times in the past? What do you propose doing? Sending an ICBM at it with a million ton nuclear warhead? That makes sense, right?
How long is man to live on this planet? Thousand of species of life go extinct every year, how about mankind? We will one day. What are we going to do when the volcanoes at Yellowstone blow? Blame it on CC and HAARP?
I am more worried about the political climate of this country.
Ha ha, doom and gloom, how fun. Lets quickly and efficiently tear this thread to shreads shall we?
Despite our OP's claims there is NO scientific consensus that man-made global warming is any kind of real issue.
First, consensus doesn't mean you are right. There has been general scientific consensus that the world was flat for a period of time. New information proved it wrong. This has happened to many theories that had a "consensus" of scientists believing it. Regardless.... the OP says that 10,000 scientists say it is a real and present danger. (Most of the papers he mentioned aren't even about climate change) Guess what... over 30,000 verified scientist with credentials have signed a petition that DIRECTLY says that it isn't true.
31,487 American scientists have signed this petition,
including 9,029 with PhDs.
So no, the "Consensus" thing is TOTALLY false.
Moving on...
These alarmist like to say things like, "WE ARE HOTTER THAN EVER!" and "ALL THE ARTIC ICE IS MELTING!", yet science proves them wrong with verifiable evidence.
You want peer reviewed science? Peep this .PDF, Yo! It will show you with verifiable evidence that we are no hotter than 1997.
After reviewing the scientific literature the report concludes that the standstill is an empirical fact and a reality that challenges current climate models. During the time that the Earth’s global temperature has remained static the atmospheric composition of carbon dioxide has increased from 370 to 390 ppm
I am not saying that the Earth is not currently in a warm period. As part of the natural cycle during the Holocene, it gets cool, it gets warm, it gets cool, it gets warm, and during the cool and warm long term periods there will be shorter warm and cool periods.
Right now, the Earth is in an elevated warm period during this extended warm period (which started in the mid-1800′s as the Little Ice Age came to an end) which is still cooler than during the previous warm periods (Medieval and Roman warm periods), with a flatlined temperature gradient.
If increases in C02 cause increased temperature, and C02 has been increasing steadily, why NO increase in temperature since 1997? Why has the Artic Ice stayed *about* the same for 30 years? Scientist believe their have already been periods where that ice melted completely... and we are suppose to worry about small decreases broken up by small increases?
In the early 2000's you alarmists told us that the artic ice would be gone by 2013, lolz.
Don't buy the hype guys, we don't have near as much influence on the Earth's temperature as the sun does, as cosmic dust settling on the planet does, as the PLANET does. This is a natural progression that we can't stop, and would be foolish to try to.
This is about as futile as worrying about super-volcanoes.
This post is so full of untruths, half truths, outright falsehoods and nonsense that it is not worthy of a response.
The above are about how much CO2 the oceans release when warm and shows how the oceans warm.
Something that has always struck me as odd is man can't eradicate cockroaches though we have tried to do so for years. If we can't kill cockroaches how in hell are we going to kill a planet on which we are infinitesimal?
"The sky is falling" scenario played out by global warming/CC enthusiasts is humorous. What if a meteor is posed to hit the earth as has happened several times in the past? What do you propose doing? Sending an ICBM at it with a million ton nuclear warhead? That makes sense, right?
How long is man to live on this planet? Thousand of species of life go extinct every year, how about mankind? We will one day. What are we going to do when the volcanoes at Yellowstone blow? Blame it on CC and HAARP?
I am more worried about the political climate of this country.
Seriously...
We may not be able to kill cockroaches, but we certainly have no problem killing humans...Eventually humans will also be extinct, but I'm not in a hurry for that, are you?....What makes you think that more than 7 billion people can survive an earth that is 10 degrees warmer?
We have no control over meteors and volcanoes, but we are able to control the amount of CO2 we emit.
Ha ha, doom and gloom, how fun. Lets quickly and efficiently tear this thread to shreads shall we?
Despite our OP's claims there is NO scientific consensus that man-made global warming is any kind of real issue.
First, consensus doesn't mean you are right. There has been general scientific consensus that the world was flat for a period of time. New information proved it wrong. This has happened to many theories that had a "consensus" of scientists believing it. Regardless.... the OP says that 10,000 scientists say it is a real and present danger. (Most of the papers he mentioned aren't even about climate change) Guess what... over 30,000 verified scientist with credentials have signed a petition that DIRECTLY says that it isn't true.
31,487 American scientists have signed this petition,
including 9,029 with PhDs.
So no, the "Consensus" thing is TOTALLY false.
Moving on...
These alarmist like to say things like, "WE ARE HOTTER THAN EVER!" and "ALL THE ARTIC ICE IS MELTING!", yet science proves them wrong with verifiable evidence.
You want peer reviewed science? Peep this .PDF, Yo! It will show you with verifiable evidence that we are no hotter than 1997.
After reviewing the scientific literature the report concludes that the standstill is an empirical fact and a reality that challenges current climate models. During the time that the Earth’s global temperature has remained static the atmospheric composition of carbon dioxide has increased from 370 to 390 ppm
I am not saying that the Earth is not currently in a warm period. As part of the natural cycle during the Holocene, it gets cool, it gets warm, it gets cool, it gets warm, and during the cool and warm long term periods there will be shorter warm and cool periods.
Right now, the Earth is in an elevated warm period during this extended warm period (which started in the mid-1800′s as the Little Ice Age came to an end) which is still cooler than during the previous warm periods (Medieval and Roman warm periods), with a flatlined temperature gradient.
If increases in C02 cause increased temperature, and C02 has been increasing steadily, why NO increase in temperature since 1997? Why has the Artic Ice stayed *about* the same for 30 years? Scientist believe their have already been periods where that ice melted completely... and we are suppose to worry about small decreases broken up by small increases?
In the early 2000's you alarmists told us that the artic ice would be gone by 2013, lolz.
Don't buy the hype guys, we don't have near as much influence on the Earth's temperature as the sun does, as cosmic dust settling on the planet does, as the PLANET does. This is a natural progression that we can't stop, and would be foolish to try to.
This is about as futile as worrying about super-volcanoes.
The above are about how much CO2 the oceans release when warm and shows how the oceans warm.
Something that has always struck me as odd is man can't eradicate cockroaches though we have tried to do so for years. If we can't kill cockroaches how in hell are we going to kill a planet on which we are infinitesimal?
"The sky is falling" scenario played out by global warming/CC enthusiasts is humorous. What if a meteor is posed to hit the earth as has happened several times in the past? What do you propose doing? Sending an ICBM at it with a million ton nuclear warhead? That makes sense, right?
How long is man to live on this planet? Thousand of species of life go extinct every year, how about mankind? We will one day. What are we going to do when the volcanoes at Yellowstone blow? Blame it on CC and HAARP?
I am more worried about the political climate of this country.
Seriously...
you guys stepped in it now.
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Originally Posted by sanspeur
This post is so full of untruths, half truths, outright falsehoods and nonsense that it is not worthy of a response.
in other words you can see the truth of his post, but because you are so stuck to your own dogma, you cant admit that perhaps you might be wrong.
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Originally Posted by sanspeur
We may not be able to kill cockroaches, but we certainly have no problem killing humans...Eventually humans will also be extinct, but I'm not in a hurry for that, are you?....What makes you think that more than 7 billion people can survive an earth that is 10 degrees warmer?
We have no control meteors and volcanoes, but we are able to control the amount of CO2 we emit.
technology. as i posted before we can farm with hydroponics, a centuries old technology, but when modern technology is added in the form of computers reading sensors in the water, nutrients and water can be added as needed, thus conserving water. and then there is a newer technology called airponics, that is even more water efficient. and combine growing lamps along with higher concentrations of CO2 in a greenhouse, and you get the ability to grow just about anything all year around, with high yields.
and then there are desalination plant, california has plans to build 25 of them in the next two decades, as does saudi arabia, and a number of countries in africa. there are also gulf coast states that are considering building desalination plants as well. 2000 years ago it was hotter than it is today, and the worlds population survived nicely thank you despite the lack of technology, and various local and regional famines.
in other words you can see the truth of his post, but because you are so stuck to your own dogma, you cant admit that perhaps you might be wrong.
technology. as i posted before we can farm with hydroponics, a centuries old technology, but when modern technology is added in the form of computers reading sensors in the water, nutrients and water can be added as needed, thus conserving water. and then there is a newer technology called airponics, that is even more water efficient. and combine growing lamps along with higher concentrations of CO2 in a greenhouse, and you get the ability to grow just about anything all year around, with high yields.
and then there are desalination plant, california has plans to build 25 of them in the next two decades, as does saudi arabia, and a number of countries in africa. there are also gulf coast states that are considering building desalination plants as well. 2000 years ago it was hotter than it is today, and the worlds population survived nicely thank you despite the lack of technology, and various local and regional famines.
Do you really think hydroponics will be an efficient or economical way to grow the food needed to feed the world..
Desalination plants are not cheap to build, or to operate.
Energy is the largest single expense for desalination plants, accounting for as much as half of the costs to make drinking water from the sea, according to a report.
Desalination plants on average use about 15,000 kilowatt- hours of power for every million gallons of fresh water that’s produced...The high energy requirements for desalination raise concerns about emissions, Cooley said. “If we are dramatically increasing our production from seawater desalination, that could dramatically increase our greenhouse-gas emissions at a time when we’re trying to reduce them".
Do you really think hydroponics will be an efficient or economical way to grow the food needed to feed the world..
yes i do. it has been proven to do so for decades. in fact crop yields are higher with hydroponic farming than with normal dirt farming. and the beauty part is that you can set up a hydroponic farm just about anywhere because you dont need the right soil, and you dont have to worry about rotating crops either. and again the growing season for just about everything is now year round, rather than three to nine months out of the year.
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Desalination plants are not cheap to build, or to operate.
wow, really? and here i thought we could build them for 38cents each. golly gee thanks for telling me that.
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Energy is the largest single expense for desalination plants, accounting for as much as half of the costs to make drinking water from the sea, according to a report.
Desalination plants on average use about 15,000 kilowatt- hours of power for every million gallons of fresh water that’s produced...The high energy requirements for desalination raise concerns about emissions, Cooley said. “If we are dramatically increasing our production from seawater desalination, that could dramatically increase our greenhouse-gas emissions at a time when we’re trying to reduce them".
wow, again really? and here i though we would have a net gain of electricity. now tell me something i dont know
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Don't you think it would make more sense and cost a lot less to cut emissions?
well since the temperature is going to go up regardless of whether we cut emissions or not, dont you think it makes sense to prepare now for the coming heat wave of the future, instead of building during that heat wave when costs are going to be much higher?
Of the 2,258 peer-reviewed papers that have been published on the subject of climate change between November 2012 and December 2013, representing the positions of 9,136 authors, exactly one of those, written by a single Russian scientist, rejected the idea that climate change is caused by human activity. But none of this has stopped or even slowed down the professional skeptics. In fact the Heartland Institute just announced the 9th International Conference on Climate Change at the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. The event is being billed as an “International Gathering of Scientists Skeptical of Man-Caused Global Warming.”
Previous versions of this conference have been heavily funded by ExxonMobil, the Koch Brothers and the conservative Scaife Foundation, receiving as much as $67 million from these groups. This year’s event is likely to be little different. Which, of course gets us to the point of circle-jerk events like this one. It’s big oil behind the scenes, keeping that steady drumbeat of doubt going. Doubt and inaction go hand in hand.
Nick Cohen at the Guardian claims that the deniers have already won. Perhaps the fact that we are even having this conversation in 2014 supports his assertion. Of course, the part that they won’t figure out until it’s too late is that if they win, we all lose. The fact that by doing all they can to suppress effective action on greenhouse gas emissions means, of course, that they are gambling with the future of the planet, in hopes that the one guy out of 9,136 was right. What better place to do that than Las Vegas? Undeterred By Facts, Climate Deniers Will Carry the Torch to Las Vegas
Your scam to control our lives, our industries, our prosperity, our freedom, and our future is over, your lost...
your scam to control our lives, our industries, our prosperity, our freedom, and our future is over, your lost...
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