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Old 06-18-2014, 06:07 AM
 
Location: it depends
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Originally Posted by Blondy View Post
In any case, Congress could get to the bottom of this by giving her immunity and compelling her to testify. Personally, I think all we would find out is that she was the rogue employee acting out her own politics or seeking to curry favor with the current administration.
Yes, and it is simply too bad that the actions taken by all involved parties indicate instead a criminal conspiracy to cover up crimes. '

Hopefully the light will shine on these dark deeds.

 
Old 06-18-2014, 06:10 AM
 
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It wouldn't be hard to grasp if it were an isolated incident, but it isn't. There has been a pattern of lies and stonewalling. It's like the shepherd who cried wolf too often. No targeting was occurring, yes targeting was occurring but it was to liberal groups too, only Cincinnati agents were involved, other offices were also involved but it wasn't at the White House level, Lois Lerner was innocent, Lois Lerner took the 5th, Lois Lerner is on video tape admitting she was asked to do something about conservative money, etc. It just keeps going on and on.

That's not a solution. Eric Holder said he knew nothing about fast & furious. Then they found a memo proving he did. Nothing happened to him. Clapper said that no NSA domestic spying was happening. Then it turned out domestic spying was happening. Nothing happened to him. The only way that Lerner is going to suffer any consequences for lying under oath is if the Justice Department holds her accountable, and the Justice Department is run by a man who himself was caught lying under oath. Relying on the word of Lois Lerner is a joke. There is absolutely zero expectation that she would tell the truth, oath or no oath.
Good points about another "phony scandal" - so phony that literally a few hundred people have been shot with Fast and Furious guns - many are dead including a US Border Patrol agent.

Most of the shot people are Mexicans, so Obama on Univision, blamed Fast and Furious on Bush. How on Earth, could Obama not know that Fast and Furious was devised in his own White House?

http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...gan-under-bus/

What we are dealing with, is an administration so corrupt, that the leader is fine with implementing a policy that has gotten hundreds of people shot and then falsely blaming it on Bush. The Buck Never Stops With This President - he is a pathological liar.

How can we find the truth when we have a corrupt president, who refuses to take real responsibility for anything and can't tell the difference between a lie and the truth?


P.S. Obama tells Americans he has record numbers of deportations and then he goes on Univision and says deportations are down under him, that he started counting people that they turn away at the border as being deported to increase the numbers. You can't trust a word this president says, he even lied about the circumstances of his own mother's death and continued the lie after he got caught in it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...d4KS_blog.html
 
Old 06-18-2014, 06:33 AM
 
Location: it depends
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Good points about another "phony scandal" - so phony that literally a few hundred people have been shot with Fast and Furious guns - many are dead including a US Border Patrol agent.

Most of the shot people are Mexicans, so Obama on Univision, blamed Fast and Furious on Bush. How on Earth, could Obama not know that Fast and Furious was devised in his own White House?

Barack Obama said 'Fast and Furious' began under the Bush administration | PolitiFact Florida

What we are dealing with, is an administration so corrupt, that the leader is fine with implementing a policy that has gotten hundreds of people shot and then falsely blaming it on Bush. The Buck Never Stops With This President - he is a pathological liar.

How can we find the truth when we have a corrupt president, who refuses to take real responsibility for anything and can't tell the difference between a lie and the truth?


P.S. Obama tells Americans he has record numbers of deportations and then he goes on Univision and says deportations are down under him, that he started counting people that they turn away at the border as being deported to increase the numbers. You can't trust a word this president says, he even lied about the circumstances of his own mother's death and continued the lie after he got caught in it.

‘The Road We’ve Traveled:’ A misleading account of Obama’s mother and her insurance dispute - The Washington Post
About all we need now is for the President to say "I am not a crook."
 
Old 06-18-2014, 07:33 AM
 
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That is just bad...

Corrupt politicians like Obama will always come along from time to time. We need to reform the IRS to make it less likely to be used as a political tool to help influence elections, silence dissent, etc...
The only way to do that is to outlaw public sector unions. There is such an incestuous relationship between unions and Democratic politicians, which is why the Democratic party has become the party of big government. The union bosses get to bargain with friendly employers for perks, and the employees pay union dues that go into Democratic politicians' campaign coffers. If the Republicans suddenly started advocating for the military to be unionized, then they would have a huge slush fund too. God help us all.
 
Old 06-18-2014, 07:41 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Public executions....


Screw the courts. The public needs to start executing those willing and able to take our freedoms and oppress us all.
 
Old 06-18-2014, 07:42 AM
 
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IRS LIED.

The IRS knew that the emails had been "lost" when the IRS Commissioner under oath said that all the emails were saved to a server.

IRS knew for months about missing Lerner emails, reps say | The Daily Caller

Bring up perjury charges against John Koskinen the IRS Commissioner.
 
Old 06-18-2014, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Emails ORIGINATE on a server people. They are not "saved to a server".
Actually they originate on someone's computer but once sent they go to the server and there they stay.
And Emails stay on a server..a copy goes down to your hard file.

Last edited by HappyTexan; 06-18-2014 at 08:02 AM..
 
Old 06-18-2014, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Let me just state the obvious for anyone who believes this. Emails are not stored on your computer. They are stored on servers. Servers that are back up and backed up and backed up. Do they really think we are just stupid and are going to believe this?! What they said is impossible.

This is watergate folks. Cover up. You do not lose emails due to computer crash, end of story.


IRS: Those Lois Lerner emails you wanted? Yeah, her computer crashed, so… « Hot Air
If anyone actually believes these emails were actually lost, I want to get to know them. I am in Nigeria and have a bunch of money I want to get out of the country and need someone to send it to...
 
Old 06-18-2014, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Originally Posted by michiganmoon View Post
IRS LIED.

The IRS knew that the emails had been "lost" when the IRS Commissioner under oath said that all the emails were saved to a server.

IRS knew for months about missing Lerner emails, reps say | The Daily Caller

Bring up perjury charges against John Koskinen the IRS Commissioner.
It's twofold-go after him for perjury and, if the emails truely were deleted and no record can be found, go after whoever did so for consipiricy and destruction of evidence. Still, I think the chances of these records actually being lost are about the same as winning the lottery.

So...is this another case of the incredible level of corruption in this administration rearing it's ugly head once again? Or just another example of the blatent level of incompetance of the administration? Given that they can't develop a simple web site, I actually might believe incompetance.
 
Old 06-18-2014, 09:08 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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It's twofold-go after him for perjury and, if the emails truely were deleted and no record can be found, go after whoever did so for consipiricy and destruction of evidence. Still, I think the chances of these records actually being lost are about the same as winning the lottery.

So...is this another case of the incredible level of corruption in this administration rearing it's ugly head once again? Or just another example of the blatent level of incompetance of the administration? Given that they can't develop a simple web site, I actually might believe incompetance.


This is where the problem lies....

Who exactly is going to go after him? Eric Holder? Don't hold your breath.

Eric Holder is the problem.
Then you have the NSA, blackmailing the Supreme Court.


It is a done deal. The machine is fulling functioning.
Bend over and take it.
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