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Yes, I agree this was an appeal to emotion on the OP's part. However, so is the "you want to control women's bodies" argument that is all-pervasive on the pro-choice side. That's also an attempt to get people riled up. The debate is whether abortion should be treated as murder or not. Wanting to control women's bodies has nothing to do with it.
Wrong. The debate is not about 'murder'. It has EVERYTHING to do with controlling women's bodies and reproduction.
In this case, however, it really is at the expense of men. Feminists have actively opposed domestic violence resources being made available to men who are victims of violent women. Feminists promoted Title IX which has been applied solely to men's college sports programs, not women's. Feminists have campaigned against health insurance for women costing more, while saying nothing about life and car insurance costing men more. Feminists have advocated for more programs and spending for girls' education even after it was shown that boys are falling behind and some universities are now 2/3 female. Feminists have pushed the theory that women need to be made comfortable with coming forward about rape to the point where women are now free to make false rape allegations without consequence unlike any other crime. Feminists continue to push for more spending on healthcare issues which affect only women, even though such issues already receive far and away more funding than health issues which are specific to men. So yes, feminists do indeed push the interests of women at the expense of men.
Oh, for Christ's sake! You want us to fight your war for you? Do it yourself. We did.
Start a 'masculist' movement and fight your own battle.
Or we just have a sense of morality and feel there's a more responsible, less cruel way to deal with babies who aren't wanted or babies who are born to irresponsible parents.
So you are ready with your wallet to provide all kinds of extra services and increased educational budget costs to insure they have a great shot in life?
Or we just have a sense of morality and feel there's a more responsible, less cruel way to deal with babies who aren't wanted or babies who are born to irresponsible parents.
So you are ready with your wallet to provide all kinds of extra services and increased educational budget costs to insure they have a great shot in life?
WRC, in the same way that I don't lump ALL Republicans/Conservatives together, neither should you do the same with ALL Feminists. I am a feminist and no, I do not support abortion. However, I don't believe abortion should be - and never should have become - a political issue. Abortion is between a woman and her doctor, who should truthfully advise her of all options and exactly what will happen during the procedure and what stage of development the fetus is at. If there is a beating heart, she needs to know it, and know exactly what she is doing.
Find a woman who *doesn't* know exactly what she is doing when she goes for an abortion. This attitude that we all need to be 'schooled' on what an abortion is and what it does is one of the more insulting on offer. It is behind all the 'waiting periods' and the mandatory education scripts forced on doctors by (usually) GOP-lead legislatures.
If a woman goes for an abortion, she knows what she is there for and what it entails. Assuming anything else is absurd.
In this case, however, it really is at the expense of men. Feminists have actively opposed domestic violence resources being made available to men who are victims of violent women. Feminists promoted Title IX which has been applied solely to men's college sports programs, not women's. Feminists have campaigned against health insurance for women costing more, while saying nothing about life and car insurance costing men more. Feminists have advocated for more programs and spending for girls' education even after it was shown that boys are falling behind and some universities are now 2/3 female. Feminists have pushed the theory that women need to be made comfortable with coming forward about rape to the point where women are now free to make false rape allegations without consequence unlike any other crime. Feminists continue to push for more spending on healthcare issues which affect only women, even though such issues already receive far and away more funding than health issues which are specific to men. So yes, feminists do indeed push the interests of women at the expense of men.
Yes, I agree this was an appeal to emotion on the OP's part. However, so is the "you want to control women's bodies" argument that is all-pervasive on the pro-choice side. That's also an attempt to get people riled up. The debate is whether abortion should be treated as murder or not. Wanting to control women's bodies has nothing to do with it.
I don't see what consent has to do with abortion. Investing in birth control and improving education are good ideas. We can invest in birth control and sex education and also ban abortion.
Not really. I have yet to see feminists overly concerned with getting more men involved in female dominated careers. I have yet to see feminists advocating for having women sign up for selective service. I have yet to see them advocate for allowing men into womens' schools or womens' professional organizations the way they do about allowing women into mens'. I have yet to see feminists advocating for making the family courts less lopsided in favor of women. I have yet to see the feminists crusading about how much more lenient sentencing women get for committing the same crimes as men.
It may not be more dangerous than any other social movement, but it is dangerous. Ask the Duke Lacrosse players if out of control feminism doesn't have a noticeable and negative affect on society as a whole. How many abuse victims have not received adequate support and treatment because their abuser was female? How many fathers and children's relationships have been permanently damaged because the woman made up false allegations to get a better settlement in a divorce? How many men have died of prostate cancer because of breast cancer receiving seven times the funding even though the incidence and fatality rates between the two are the same? The feminist extremists may be the fringe, but their influence is much greater than their numbers.
Seriously, there is so much BS in this post it would take writing a book to refute it all. I'd suggest anyone wondering whether these claims are worth a crap look into criticism of men's rights activists. Here's a place to start, all written by men.
Or we just have a sense of morality and feel there's a more responsible, less cruel way to deal with babies who aren't wanted or babies who are born to irresponsible parents.
I'm anti-choice because it's obviously murder, as the OP said abortion is a PC term. Are you suggesting that the murdering of babies is justified because, according to you, we haven't figured out a way to provide food, housing, education, employment, or healthcare for them?
What I am saying is that if those like yourself, who say abortion is "murder," were truly motivated by a desire to save children, they would have a plan for how to keep those children alive, healthy and happy after they were born. But they have no such plan. This suggests to me that they are not motivated by a genuine desire to save children. More likely, they are motivated by a desire to control women.
Oh, for Christ's sake! You want us to fight your war for you? Do it yourself. We did.
Start a 'masculist' movement and fight your own battle.
Oh, they have. Except their idea of a movement is whining a lot, harassing outspoken women and not actually doing anything to help men. Usually mixed in with a healthy dose of homophobia and racism.
For instance, take the whole "women get more money for research on their health problems" thing. They never bother to consider that women have many, many more health issues specific to them thanks to pregnancy.
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