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Old 06-15-2014, 02:52 PM
 
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Small housing doesn't have to be either disposable or subsidized. Where it comes to addressing the homeless it likely would be both.
Doesn't need to be either for my co-worker who lives in his car to be able to rent one. Not all homeless are unemployed.
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Old 06-15-2014, 02:55 PM
 
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Doesn't need to be either for my co-worker who lives in his car to be able to rent one. Not all homeless are unemployed.
They are a small portion of the homeless.
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Old 06-15-2014, 02:58 PM
 
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Five myths about America's homeless

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2. Most of the homeless have a severe mental illness.

Because the relatively small number of people living on the streets who suffer from paranoia, delusions and other mental disorders are very visible, they have come to stand for the entire homeless population -- despite the fact that they are in the minority. As a result, many people falsely concluded that an increase in homelessness in the 1980s resulted from the deinstitutionalization of psychiatric care in the 1960s and 1970s.
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3. Homeless people don't work.

According to a 2002 national study by the Urban Institute, about 45 percent of homeless adults had worked in the past 30 days -- only 14 percentage points lower than the employment rate for the general population last month. The number of working homeless would probably be even higher if "off the books" work was included. Whether scavenging for scrap metal or staffing shelters, many homeless people adopt ingenious ways to subsist.
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Old 06-15-2014, 02:59 PM
 
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They are a small portion of the homeless.
Incorrect, see above post. It is nearly half.

The unemployed with mental illnesses is the minority.

Even if your claim was true, which it is not, it would still reduce homelessness.
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Old 06-15-2014, 03:05 PM
 
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Incorrect, see above post. It is nearly half.

The unemployed with mental illnesses is the minority.

Even if your claim was true, which it is not, it would still reduce homelessness.
I hate statements like this.

According to a 2002 national study by the Urban Institute, about 45 percent of homeless adults had worked in the past 30 days -- only 14 percentage points lower than the employment rate for the general population last month. The number of working homeless would probably be even higher if "off the books" work was included. Whether scavenging for scrap metal or staffing shelters, many homeless people adopt ingenious ways to subsist.

It means absolutely nothing. The unemployment rate would be different for those not homeless also if those who are "off the books" were counted. I do know quite a few "unemployed" that do fine off the books that are not homeless.

A generalization like "worked in the last 30 days" doesn't mean much either.
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Old 06-15-2014, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You said you would spend YOUR money investing in homes to rent.

Was that just talk???

I thought so.
Sorry kiddo, this is just a forum site, my business plans have nothing to do with city data. If you thought I was just gonna run out and start investing because of a city data post, you are horribly wrong.
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Old 06-15-2014, 03:56 PM
 
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I hate statements like this.

According to a 2002 national study by the Urban Institute, about 45 percent of homeless adults had worked in the past 30 days -- only 14 percentage points lower than the employment rate for the general population last month. The number of working homeless would probably be even higher if "off the books" work was included. Whether scavenging for scrap metal or staffing shelters, many homeless people adopt ingenious ways to subsist.

It means absolutely nothing. The unemployment rate would be different for those not homeless also if those who are "off the books" were counted. I do know quite a few "unemployed" that do fine off the books that are not homeless.

A generalization like "worked in the last 30 days" doesn't mean much either.
It means almost half of homeless people are employed and even more work odd-jobs. It isn't the only study to find that larger minorities of homeless people work for money.

You are just grasping at semantics, I have seen plenty of other sources that claim 1/3 to 1/2 of homeless people are employed in some way.

What I haven't seen is any evidence to back up your claim that only a very small minority of them work. The fact is your claim is false, half of homeless people work... deal with it.

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Old 06-15-2014, 04:00 PM
 
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Sorry kiddo, this is just a forum site, my business plans have nothing to do with city data. If you thought I was just gonna run out and start investing because of a city data post, you are horribly wrong.
No...I thought no different.
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Old 06-15-2014, 04:34 PM
 
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We have three Habitat homes in foreclosure near by.
Of the first 200 built in Memphis, about 40% went through some kind of bankruptcy filing. Habitat left the people with a house and an interest free house payment of $360 a month (including taxes and insurance) and many of the people took out high interest rate second mortgages and ended up losing their houses.
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Old 06-15-2014, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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No...I thought no different.
Then what was your point?
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