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Old 07-14-2014, 07:17 PM
 
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Honesty question because I do not know the answer. But despite words of some Democrats, it seems clear their actions show they are not in favor of these things. School choice and vouchers are good for low income people. So just why exactly does it appear the Dems are against it?
I would agree with school vouchers at this stage in the game. It is not good in the sense it tears communities apart by having the kids not unified in same localities as their community centers. It's to unify and desegregate that the lack of school choice was founded on. It's to protect against the Jim Crow type of school patterns of the 1950s

But come to think of it, I am now for school choice. Let people choose public education and not by force

 
Old 07-14-2014, 07:22 PM
 
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Honesty question because I do not know the answer. But despite words of some Democrats, it seems clear their actions show they are not in favor of these things. School choice and vouchers are good for low income people. So just why exactly does it appear the Dems are against it?
Beholden to teacher's unions that are major Democrat donors. Most public charter schools are non-union and therefore their growth represents a loss in tax payer flow to unions to Democrats.
 
Old 07-14-2014, 08:29 PM
 
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So lets say short term I run two excellent high schools, one in city A, one in city B, im competing against the public one. I invest heavily in the idea it should all be private. A competitor comes in and we fight over students in A and B. 5 years down the road, I exchange a school in B for his in A. I now have a local monopoly, and both me and my ex competitor raise the costs.
Not much different than the pseudo monopoly we have now? I don't see that happening becsue schools will need to compete for funding.


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Personally I think a different idea should be worked on.
PA had a really good idea and I really wish it had gone somewhere. The voucher would have been good for a public or private school. If you like your public school you continue to send your kid there, if the neighboring district is better you could try and place them there. If the private school was offering the best education you could place them there.

As far as escalating costs this is what I would do. Let's say the student has a $15k voucher for the year (that's what PA spends per student). If they don't spend it all allow them to bank it for higher education. That would encourage the schools to offer lower tuition's than the value of the voucher.
 
Old 07-14-2014, 08:50 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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This.

I have no objection to a voucher system as long as the money is being spent to educate students and not to indoctrinate them into believing silly fairy tales.
So you have a problem with the public school system then.
 
Old 07-14-2014, 09:08 PM
 
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They're only "pro choice" when it comes to murdering babies, they are anti-choice everything else. Want to own a gun? Want to buy a large soda? Want to keep most of your hard earned money? Want to freely express your faith? Want to keep your football team name? Want to control your own healthcare? Want to choose what your business can pay for? Want to choose the school for your kids? Sorry, not in their world.

The modern day liberal is really a socialist, and socialists are authoritarians, supporters of tyranny. Authoritarians don't allow room for "choice," only they're choice is allowed, choices they force on the will of the people for their "own good."
 
Old 07-14-2014, 09:21 PM
 
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I'm totally fine with it as long as the public money doesn't go to religious institutions.

Define religious institution.
 
Old 07-14-2014, 09:26 PM
 
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Honesty question because I do not know the answer. But despite words of some Democrats, it seems clear their actions show they are not in favor of these things. School choice and vouchers are good for low income people. So just why exactly does it appear the Dems are against it?

It's most Democrats that oppose vouchers not some. In many poll Repugs also majority oppose.

NEA's Union Thugs is the reason.
 
Old 07-14-2014, 09:29 PM
 
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Default Why are some Democrats against vouchers/school choice?
Union bosses won't allow it.
 
Old 07-14-2014, 11:36 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Honesty question because I do not know the answer. But despite words of some Democrats, it seems clear their actions show they are not in favor of these things. School choice and vouchers are good for low income people. So just why exactly does it appear the Dems are against it?
Because they are not good for low income people. Imagine a bullet in your hand while the gun is inside a locked case, that you dont have a key to.


Now imagine living in inner city Chicago and having a school voucher for your kid, but the next closest "good school" is 30 miles away. You dont have a car( the gun), so how is the kid going to get there.

Now, i could go into detail about how the few middle class kids who can get to those schools are the least expensive to educate but get the same voucher amount as other kids leaving behind schools that are less funded proportionally, if you want me to ?

I have a question for Conservatives, why not fix public schools ?
 
Old 07-14-2014, 11:37 PM
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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I would agree with school vouchers at this stage in the game. It is not good in the sense it tears communities apart by having the kids not unified in same localities as their community centers. It's to unify and desegregate that the lack of school choice was founded on. It's to protect against the Jim Crow type of school patterns of the 1950s

But come to think of it, I am now for school choice. Let people choose public education and not by force
How is anyone forced into public education ?
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