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Hmmm...I copied & pasted the quotes from your posts. It's not the first time I've seen a liberal accuse someone of lying about what was said when they have been directly quoted.
How about a link/quote? It should be easy if this is "widely acknowledged as fact." I posted the quote from Paul Pillar, which contradicts your portrayal. Give me a link or quote that proves Pillar to be FOS.
I gave you the author and title of the piece to read. It's readily available.
Of course your not because it doesn't suit your position. That's fine.
It's not any more rotten than any other human run organization that has to answer to a political power structure.
Any of the government alphabet organizations could fit your postulate.
The CIA has the added weight of dealing with the nastiest sides of human nature.
And yes I am being as magnanimous as possible so our interaction doesn't devolve as many of the others have in this thread.
Again, they couldn't even stop 9/11. Hell, they weren't even close to even being on the trail.
They allowed themself to manipulated in the case for WMD.
They have a multibillion dollar budget...And we don't even how many multibillions...
This whole idea that "we don't know their successes" is so offensive I can't believe it comes outta thinking people's mouths. That's a ridiculous assertion.
Their failures have more than enough preponderance to outweigh that notion
Hell, the Cold War went on for decades, and they fed our government nothing but lies relative to Soviet strengths until the bitter end.
You can also look at some of the other assessments:
4/6/50 ORE 91-49
Estimate of the Effects of the Soviet Possession of the Atomic Bomb Upon the Security of the U.S.
10/5/54 NIE 11-6-54
Soviet Capabilities and Probable Programs in the Guided Missile Field
9/21/61 NIE 11-8/1-61
Strength and Deployment of Soviet Long-Range Ballistic Missile Forces, September 21, 1961
3/2/67 NIE 11-1-67
The Soviet Space Program
2/19/70 SNIE 11-16-70
Soviet Attitudes Toward SALT
6/76 United States Air Force
A History of Strategic Arms Competition, 1945-1972: Volume 3: A Handbook of Selected Soviet Weapon and Space Systems (May-Steinbruner-Wolfe Report)
12/76 NIO M 76-021J
Soviet Strategic Objectives: An Alternative View ("Team B" Report)
5/27/81 SNIE 11-2-81
Soviet Support for International Terrorism and Revolutionary Violence
7/7/81 M/M NIE 11-4-78
Soviet Goals and Expectations in the Global Power Arena
4/83 NIC M 83-10006
Dimensions of Civil Unrest in the Soviet Union
3/6/84 NIE 11-3/8-83
Soviet Capabilities for Strategic Nuclear Conflict, 1983-93
4/89 CIA
Rising Political Instability Under Gorbachev: Understanding the Problem and Prospects for Resolution
I gave you the author and title of the piece to read. It's readily available.
You get an 'F' in debate class. You made a claim, I challenged it, and all you come up with in response is an article title and author's name?
Geez, if that's all we need to win a debate over politics and other controversies, let's stop stating positions, making our case, and responding to those who disagree.
Let's just trade article titles and author's names back and forth. We don't even need to post a link--that's way too much trouble. Just title and author, and voila, and no need for further discussion. YBOL.
You get an 'F' in debate class. You made a claim, I challenged it, and all you come up with in response is an article title and author's name?
Geez, if that's all we need to win a debate over politics and other controversies, let's stop stating positions, making our case, and responding to those who disagree.
Let's just trade article titles and author's names back and forth. We don't even need to post a link--that's way too much trouble. Just title and author, and voila, and no need for further discussion. YBOL.
Hey genius...I told you that I couldn't post the link because I'm using my phone. I gave you the title and author. Takes 10 minutes to read it.
If you're too damn lazy to pull up a simple article outlining what I articulated, then go eat a soup sandwich and quit bothering me.
And I'm not debating you...I've already crushed your assertion that the Bush Administration wasn't responsible for misinterpreting (on purpose) their own Intel in order to get into a war.
You can also look at some of the other assessments:
4/6/50 ORE 91-49
Estimate of the Effects of the Soviet Possession of the Atomic Bomb Upon the Security of the U.S.
10/5/54 NIE 11-6-54
Soviet Capabilities and Probable Programs in the Guided Missile Field
9/21/61 NIE 11-8/1-61
Strength and Deployment of Soviet Long-Range Ballistic Missile Forces, September 21, 1961
3/2/67 NIE 11-1-67
The Soviet Space Program
2/19/70 SNIE 11-16-70
Soviet Attitudes Toward SALT
6/76 United States Air Force
A History of Strategic Arms Competition, 1945-1972: Volume 3: A Handbook of Selected Soviet Weapon and Space Systems (May-Steinbruner-Wolfe Report)
12/76 NIO M 76-021J
Soviet Strategic Objectives: An Alternative View ("Team B" Report)
5/27/81 SNIE 11-2-81
Soviet Support for International Terrorism and Revolutionary Violence
7/7/81 M/M NIE 11-4-78
Soviet Goals and Expectations in the Global Power Arena
4/83 NIC M 83-10006
Dimensions of Civil Unrest in the Soviet Union
3/6/84 NIE 11-3/8-83
Soviet Capabilities for Strategic Nuclear Conflict, 1983-93
4/89 CIA
Rising Political Instability Under Gorbachev: Understanding the Problem and Prospects for Resolution
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