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Old 07-20-2014, 08:01 PM
 
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No.

In the context of the post to which I was replying:

Prior to the Civil War it was not possible for for slaves simply to emigrate to a state that better reflected the life they wanted to live.

To which that person replied: "Don't want to be a slave; move out west."
Gotcha... Apologies.
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Old 07-20-2014, 08:10 PM
 
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Er, how? Because we don't support sending back all the brown-skinned people?
Read what I said.
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Old 07-20-2014, 08:23 PM
 
Location: NJ
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International foreign money exchange.. Oil companies don't get all their funding from Wall St. Furthermore, what would stop a NEW country from having its own financial center? Its own currency for that matter.
Great..money backed by moonshine and meth reserves...
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Old 07-20-2014, 08:25 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Read what I said.
Except liberals don't support a USSR-like state. I certainly don't. You do know they didn't execute communism correctly, right? Marx said a communist state must first move from industrialized capitalism, to socialism, to communism. Russia wasn't industrialized when Lenin came in, he thought he could rearrange the order and use the government's power to industrialize after the socialist phase. It's kinda like building Legos, thinking, I don't need no stupid instructions.
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Old 07-20-2014, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Lost in Texas
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Great..money backed by moonshine and meth reserves...
How about oil and natural gas reserves bob? Do you think the dollar is backed by squat at this point?
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Old 07-20-2014, 08:28 PM
 
Location: New York City
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How about oil and natural gas reserves bob? Do you think the dollar is backed by squat at this point?
Yes..? Dollars are an IOU note. It's how paper money works. And it's still the currency of choice for many international transactions and reserves.
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Old 07-20-2014, 08:32 PM
 
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No.

Moving forward through history, progress of the human race has always been measured by how much more unified we became, rather than how less unified and isolated from each other we became.
That's why the world calls us the "great experiment" in Democracy. We as a nation took unity to the next plateau in societal development and merged whole states of diverse cultures and ideologies, into a cohesive, unified social entity, called The United States of America. Even the name itself, implies unity.
We don't go backwards. We are the nation that will continue to move forward with our founder's vision, of a unity of individuals, with liberty and justice for all.
Ughh...this is one big...well...anyway...

1. Objectively, "progress" (there is no such thing except when speaking on technology and freedom from slavery, but I'll entertain the spirit of your semantics) has not been determined by any such this except in your liberal fantasy and propaganda. "Progress" is determined by increases in lifespan, increases in standard of living, increases in communication and other technology, but only in the most wet-behind -the-ears rainbow drenched liberal fantasy land is "unity" prioritized above these things. In fact, because I believe in evolution and both notice and appreciate the different contributions that different cultures have made, I maintain that evolving into distinct cultures is what worked to impart the most progress (and interesting variety) to humanity.

2. Your "great experiment in Democracy" phrase is invented propaganda and the "world" at large calls us no such thing. In terms of functional democracies, we actually don't rank very high. We're about in the middle. And, by the way, we are decidedly NOT an official democracy but a Republic.

3. You say that we took "unity" to a new plateau, but, again, that's simplistic propaganda of the worst order. We're divided as a nation, both at the microcosmic level of the community and the macro-cosmic level of greater politics. And the divide is ever growing. That's a fact. We are decidedly NOT cohesive by any rational standard. You need to visit some truly cohesive communities to show yourself just how wrong you are. Try the Jewish communities of Israel. Essentially, you are calling one of the most divided countries, in the history of the human race, a new standard of cohesion. The Orwellian term for that is 'doublespeak'. In your case, you might say "division is unity". Co-opting the name of the USA, that is actually rooted specifically in the fact that we were setting up a country with less Federal oversight (unity) of regions than would usually occur, is an argument that is weakly deceptive.

4. There is no "backwards" except insofar as technology and slavery is concerned. There is no "progress", except in terms of health and living standards, just because you uniquely define it for your own political reasons. You are defining terms for to mesh with your political views, and then telling us that we can't violate the terms. That's not an argument. It's propaganda, and exceedingly weak propaganda at that.

5. That wasn't our forefather's "vision". Now you're engaging in historical revisionism (sort of like defining us as a democracy) to make your points. Also, notice the "unity of individuals" Orwellian doublespeak. A "unity of individuals" is a contradiction both in philosophical and practical political terms. Individualism leads to disunity. Specifically, individualism is required for disunity. That's actually the very definition of disunity. To engage in effective politics, that is to effectively engage toward common group goals, specifically what is needed is for individualism to be cast aside for those goals to be met effectively though effective group co-operation. The very nature of truly effective group co-operation, or truly effective politics that actually grow and maintain any type of real political influence and power, is that community takes priority over individualism.

Individualism is the ideal of slaves with no political power nor hope for such. If you are an individualist, you have no political power by definition. If you are such, take a look around and spot your masters by their collectivism.
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Old 07-20-2014, 08:36 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Do you think the dollar is backed by squat at this point?
The dollar is backed by the world's largest GDP. Ca-ching.
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Old 07-20-2014, 08:38 PM
 
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Well, you should be jumpin for joy if the evil TeahadliKKKan states shrivel up and die!!!!!!

Let us separate peacefully!!!!!!!!!
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Old 07-20-2014, 08:39 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Well, you should be jumpin for joy if the evil TeahadliKKKan states shrivel up and die!!!!!!

Let us separate peacefully!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, I'm not like you, I have sympathy for the less well-off people.
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