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Old 09-15-2014, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by random_thoughts View Post
No it hasn't been and the experience of entire civilized and industrialized world proves that when minimum wages go up the entire economy gets a boost.

And no, college graduates are not necessarily going to be better at minimum wage jobs... Lol
actually it has been proven that everytime you raise the min wage, there is a level of JOB LOSSES and added inflation to the already programed liberal inflation

say you raise the min wage to 15 on Jan1...within a year 30-50% of the min wage workers will have lost their jobs...inflation will multiply the effect and that 15 will have the buying power that 7 did


look at this past recession..a perfect storm of liberal policies
jobs disappear overseas...due to liberal policiues
a housing boom/bust due to liberal policies
and they raise the mi wage in 07 and 09...more added job lossed

the total...a recession...all due to liberal policies
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Old 09-15-2014, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Actually, the goal posts are exactly where they were. However, I'll answer your question since you insist.

What do you do when you make $10 an hour and can't afford the basic costs of living? You do the exact same thing that you would do when you make $20 an hour and can't afford the basic costs of living. You cut your budget, you stop spending money on frivolous expenses, and you either find a job that pays better or you get a second job to make up the difference. It happens every day, in every city, in every state. There are people out there who will do whatever it takes to take care of their and their family's needs, and there are people out there who want to sit back and whine about their situation in life. Personally, I think it's better to be in the former category.
You assume there are frivolous purchases, what if there aren't? Remember you have to have a cell phone plan because you can't get Obamaphone, you would have to get health insurance due to Obamacare and again Medicaid is off the table, section 8 housing again is off the table and so is government cheese and milk. Now again, would you be able to budget this out even if the costs are too much?

I don't disagree that there are those to pull them up by their bootstraps but, If there are only so many jobs, You may not be able to get said second job. In Arizona for instance, there are not enough jobs for one person to have a single job, let two. The point me saying this, is limiting factors may dictate some of what you and others suggest it is.
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Old 09-15-2014, 11:46 AM
 
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You assume there are frivolous purchases, what if there aren't? Remember you have to have a cell phone plan because you can't get Obamaphone, you would have to get health insurance due to Obamacare and again Medicaid is off the table, section 8 housing again is off the table and so is government cheese and milk. Now again, would you be able to budget this out even if the costs are too much?

I don't disagree that there are those to pull them up by their bootstraps but, If there are only so many jobs, You may not be able to get said second job. In Arizona for instance, there are not enough jobs for one person to have a single job, let two. The point me saying this, is limiting factors may dictate some of what you and others suggest it is.

I don't have Obamaphone, i have a prepaid phone that costs about $10-$15 a month.
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Old 09-15-2014, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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What is right about forcing someone to offer a product of higher quality than the market wants to pay for?

e.g. say there are three grades of widgets, economy, standard, and premium, and then government bans the sale of economy widgets?
and that is exactly what the liberal government has done

recite the alphabet with me

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Old 09-15-2014, 11:51 AM
 
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Not quite right. People who need/make excuses must be paid more than their contribution to the society while people who work hard and succeed must provide more to the society..

Employers generally pay employees less than their contribution to the employer, assuming the business is profitable.

How then are people who need/make excuses aid more than their contribution to society?
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Old 09-15-2014, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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As long as conservatives are going to impose and support this form of redistribution, yes.
uhm...do you UNDERSTAND what you are advocating for

zoning laws are designed to eliminate this:


is that what you truly want....shanty towns
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Old 09-15-2014, 11:53 AM
 
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and that is exactly what the liberal government has done

recite the alphabet with me

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Then why do so many conservatives strongly support and defend this government practice?
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Old 09-15-2014, 11:55 AM
 
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uhm...do you UNDERSTAND what you are advocating for

zoning laws are designed to eliminate this:


is that what you truly want....shanty towns

How's this:

Simply calculate the government-imposed redistribution from renters to owners, and compensate renters justly.
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Old 09-15-2014, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Then why do so many conservatives strongly support and defend this government practice?
uhm...those are big government liberal antifreedom agencies....


try again
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Old 09-15-2014, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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How's this:

Simply calculate the government-imposed redistribution from renters to owners, and compensate renters justly.
and meanwhile in reality...at a majority of the rent goes to.....PROPERTY TAX.....

but you REFUSE to admit it

sorry you cant handle the truth
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