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View Poll Results: Should space exploration be a prority?
Yes 62 78.48%
No 17 21.52%
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Old 09-06-2014, 12:37 PM
 
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The United States is no longer a serious nation....it'a a welfare state. A tower of babble. A multicultural grievance culture. Space exploration is a victim of this new reality. The U.S. will never be in space again in any meaningful way.
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Old 09-06-2014, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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America is broke due to spending on earthly matters and scientists spending other peoples money unchecked is never a good idea. If there is a benefit to mankind, private sector interests will deliver it.
Only if it is profitable. That is one of the inherent flaws a capitalist nation, everything has a price tag put on it, the values and morals of the merchant triumph over all, and if something is not profitable it is considered bad or a waste of time. Classical music is way less profitable and popular than say Justin Bieber or Nicki Minaj. In the capitalist mindset that makes Bieber and Minaj superior because they bring more money in. Yet anyone who has ever listened to classical music and modern pop knows that in terms of technical mastery, difficulty, talent, skill, richness, creativity, complexity, and hard work there really is no comparison.

My point isn't really to argue that classical music>>>pop music. People's musical preferences are their own but just to illustrate the fact that just because the "market" has chosen something doesn't make it right or good. "Private sector interests" will deliver whatever is popular. I don't think science should be dictated the the whims of the market. Otherwise the plurality of spending would go to creationism research as the plurality of Americans believe in creationism over evolution:
Evolution, Creationism, Intelligent Design | Gallup Historical Trends
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Old 09-06-2014, 12:43 PM
 
Location: The ends DO NOT justify the means!!!
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The United States is no longer a serious nation....it'a a welfare state. A tower of babble. A multicultural grievance culture. Space exploration is a victim of this new reality. The U.S. will never be in space again.
Ouch! Maybe all too true though. Well, Americans might get to go out there when the Central Bank finances some mines for us to work in....
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Old 09-06-2014, 12:55 PM
 
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Ouch! Maybe all too true though. Well, Americans might get to go out there when the Central Bank finances some mines for us to work in....
The United States that flew to the moon no longer exists. After the next amnesty of 20 or 30 million more people without skills, or even a basic understanding of the language, what resources we have left will be going to more welfare. We should go to space....but we no longer can. The "new" politics will not allow it.
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Old 09-06-2014, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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The United States that flew to the moon no longer exists. After the next amnesty of 20 or 30 million more people without skills, or even a basic understanding of the language, what resources we have left will be going to more welfare. We should go to space....but we no longer can. The "new" politics will not allow it.
Obviously you're wrong.

if anything combines our efforts, its a foe. Russia and other countries start pushing for a moon base, or going to mars, we'll beat them.

We went to the moon in 8 years, when we were so far behind the Russians it was pathetic.
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Old 09-06-2014, 01:12 PM
 
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If an asteroid hit the earth today, we could all die.
With a self sustaining moon or mars base, our species could live.

yes, its a priority
Maintaining Americas empire here on planet earth is bankrupting us and you want to expand to other planets because an asteroid might wipe us out? Send a donation and leave the rest of us alone.
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Old 09-06-2014, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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I personally believe so, but that is my opinion. The chance that humanity will either destroy the earth (not the planet per se, but our ability to live on it) or that say a meteor will wipe us out is about 100% (and all scientists know this) So, while not likely to happen any time soon, we should be looking for ways to colonize somewhere else if we see approaching extinction. And in even simpler terms, we have limited resources, so looking for extraterrestrial sources of energy, minerals, elements would be wise. But that is just my opinion.

I do know that if we do not advance our ability to leave this planet at will, we will be wiped out or wipe out ourselves eventually.
So. after we destroy the earth, we should look for other planets to colonize and destroy?
From The Matrix;

Agent Smith: I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure.
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Old 09-06-2014, 01:12 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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Absolutely. Space exploration is probably the single greatest denominator in technological advancement that we have today and we haven't even reached the tip of the iceberg with it.
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Old 09-06-2014, 01:20 PM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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America is broke due to spending on earthly matters and scientists spending other peoples money unchecked is never a good idea. If there is a benefit to mankind, private sector interests will deliver it.
America is broke because of republican supply side tax cuts (tax cuts for the rich.) When Clinton was in office we had a balanced budget and no debt growth. But then GW Bush gave Americas rich a $2.5 trillion dollar tax cut, and this reduced our governments revenues, it created deficits, and then the deficits went to our national debt. And because of our high national debt we don't have any money.

Bush Tax Cuts After 2002: June 2002 CTJ Analysis
http://www.skymachines.com/US-Nation...ental-Term.htm

And the private sector is only concerned about making profits. Without the government and NASA we would never have went to the moon or even have satellites in orbit.
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Old 09-06-2014, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Iowa, USA
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Maintaining Americas empire here on planet earth is bankrupting us and you want to expand to other planets because an asteroid might wipe us out? Send a donation and leave the rest of us alone.
Umm... I'm pretty sure maintaining America is not what's bankrupting us. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd wager a guess that well over half of the government's spending goes to stuff that we don't need to be 'maintained' as a nation. Unless you count subsidizing corporations or going to war with countries we can't realistically save as being necessary for America's survival.

We need to reorganize our priorities. Look at what we're spending money on and really ask our selves 'is this something we need?' Defense spending is too high, there are too many safety net programs, and corporations need to die if they can't survive on their own (and I honesty believe corporations need to be subjected to heavy taxation). Cut what we don't need, and if we really feel we need something (public schools for example) then we need to find ways to improve upon; I'd start with getting private institutions involved, ideally non-religious affiliated but more in the realm of science and technology. Also, just because I could smile at this, congressmen should have a pay cap of $50,000 a year, and by cap, I mean cap. They can be payed less. Same for president, judges, etc.

And just FYI, NASA (as well as other private space observatories I'm sure) have a list of potentially dangerous asteroids that could make there way to us. You can say it just 'might' but isn't that a lot of different political debates? ISIS might attack the US if we don't secure our borders. They might not. They might be stopped before they get close enough. There's a short list of things we can know for sure, and a frighteningly long list of things we know next to nothing about.
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