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Old 09-08-2014, 09:24 AM
 
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How do you post so often in your sleep?
Yes, because if I don't believe your paranoid fantasy world I am asleep

Pretty common among conspiracy theorists that if you don't believe they don't need to provide evidence, or even discuss previous claims that turned out to be false before. Anyone who doesn't believe is a sheeple, or a Zombie, or asleep, or a shill, or brainwashed...
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Old 09-08-2014, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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What Freedom have you lost? Pssst, fears or claims that they Want to take them away does not count. What Actual Freedoms have you lost?
Well you are not totally free to travel within the US anymore.
It is not assumed anymore that you are a citizen within your own country.

Sure it's nothing more than a hassle to people but it does infringe on your rights as a citizen.
You have border checkpoint pull offs 50-70 miles north of the border that you MUST submit to.
Travel within the US and you must submit to the government screening you as a potential terrorist.

You are guilty until proven innocent. All in the name of protecting you.
It's a slow creep that people have come to accept.

The worst though are the armed swat raids which are now used to serve warrants.

What you read about you may dismiss because it has not directly affected you.
There are innocent people that are on the terrorist list and can't get their names removed.
How would you like to be one of those people ..like Michael Hicks, age 8 on the USG terrorist list ?

There are over 1 million names on the no-fly terrorist list including an 18 month old baby.
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Old 09-08-2014, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Yes, because if I don't believe your paranoid fantasy world I am asleep

Pretty common among conspiracy theorists that if you don't believe they don't need to provide evidence, or even discuss previous claims that turned out to be false before. Anyone who doesn't believe is a sheeple, or a Zombie, or asleep, or a shill, or brainwashed...
There is factual financial data that local police departments are receving military equipment from The Federal Government.

I think most would agree that it is you living in a fantasy world. What exactly are you denying about this topic when nearly every mainstream news outlet is in agreement on the matter? If I remember correctly, you oppose the War on "Drugs"-so why wouldn't you oppose the police militarization that is a symptom of the longest and costliest war in American history?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/09/us...partments.html

The Evolution of Police Militarization in Ferguson and Beyond - The Wire

Database Shows What Military Equipment Your Local Police Department Has Been Stockpiling

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Old 09-08-2014, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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There is factual financial data that local police departments are receving military equipment from The Federal Government.

I think most would agree that it is you living in a fantasy world. What exactly are you denying about this topic when nearly every mainstream news outlet is in agreement on the matter?
Just in a state of denial that any of that military equipment and training would be used on US citizens.
Ferguson has 3 bearcats to protect their citizens from a terrorist invasion
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Old 09-08-2014, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Just in a state of denial that any of that military equipment and training would be used on US citizens.
Ferguson has 3 bearcats to protect their citizens from a terrorist invasion
Some of these tiny suburbs seem to have more war supplies than larger cities-like Philadelphia. I'm not complaining-I think Philly Police do as good of a job as they can being held liable to enforce unjust laws. The NYPD on the other hand already seems like a branch of the military-their presence is everywhere in NYC.

Some Police Departments in smallers towns in the South seem like they are already at war with their citizens. Mandatory checkpoints and blood being drawn, speed traps, seizure of property, etc.
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Old 09-08-2014, 09:53 AM
 
Location: St Louis, MO
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Ferguson has zero bearcats. Ferguson's department is so poor, they are lucky to have police cars (most of their fleet is super cheap used non-pursuit Tahoes).

St Louis County Police, meanwhile, has 1 bear and 1 bearcat, both of which were purchased outside the 1033 program without any federal grants (since St Louis County is inside a UASI, they are ineligible for such federal grants). When you are the police force for a population of 1 million people and the largest force in a metro area of 3 million that happens to be 14th on the terrorist vulnerability list from DHS, this equipment makes a little more sense. And makes way more sense that using military MRAPs like so many other departments in the US are doing.
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Old 09-08-2014, 09:56 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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What Freedom have you lost? Pssst, fears or claims that they Want to take them away does not count. What Actual Freedoms have you lost?

The freedom to be innocent before proven guilty.
The freedom to make my choice, in the name of intervention.
The freedom to question the law enforcement and their tactics to control the free people.
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Old 09-08-2014, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Ferguson has zero bearcats. Ferguson's department is so poor, they are lucky to have police cars (most of their fleet is super cheap used non-pursuit Tahoes).

St Louis County Police, meanwhile, has 1 bear and 1 bearcat, both of which were purchased outside the 1033 program without any federal grants (since St Louis County is inside a UASI, they are ineligible for such federal grants). When you are the police force for a population of 1 million people and the largest force in a metro area of 3 million that happens to be 14th on the terrorist vulnerability list from DHS, this equipment makes a little more sense. And makes way more sense that using military MRAPs like so many other departments in the US are doing.
These police departments are not spending their own money buying this military equipment.
They apply to the DHS for grants and the DHS pays to send them military equipment.

The DHS has been funding all that equipment to cities/states since 2003.
They aren't paying one penny for it.

1033 procurements from the DoD are not public record.
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Old 09-08-2014, 01:07 PM
 
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Well you are not totally free to travel within the US anymore.
It is not assumed anymore that you are a citizen within your own country.

Sure it's nothing more than a hassle to people but it does infringe on your rights as a citizen.
You have border checkpoint pull offs 50-70 miles north of the border that you MUST submit to.
Travel within the US and you must submit to the government screening you as a potential terrorist.

You are guilty until proven innocent. All in the name of protecting you.
It's a slow creep that people have come to accept.

The worst though are the armed swat raids which are now used to serve warrants.

What you read about you may dismiss because it has not directly affected you.
There are innocent people that are on the terrorist list and can't get their names removed.
How would you like to be one of those people ..like Michael Hicks, age 8 on the USG terrorist list ?

There are over 1 million names on the no-fly terrorist list including an 18 month old baby.
So true. It is so gradual that many people don't even notice that it's happening. Many people are welcoming it with open arms. If people are afraid, like they were post Boston Bombing, you can even usher in martial law and enter people's homes with weapons drawn without just cause or a warrant. Later people will cheer for you in the streets. Things have been slowly heading in this direction for a long time. If it all happened overnight, people wouldn't accept it but with the gradual creep, people won't even realize that anything has changed. It is frightening what we are seeing.
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Old 09-08-2014, 01:09 PM
 
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What Freedom have you lost? Pssst, fears or claims that they Want to take them away does not count. What Actual Freedoms have you lost?
The freedom to carry cash
The freedom to travel by highway or air unmolested
The freedom of speech when I don't want to answer questions that are ask by Federal agents
The freedom to be free of warrant less searches when I'm not suspected of a crime
The freedom to assemble in public ( Three or more people assembled is a violation, and a family of 4 could not be together in public if so ordered dispersed)

Do any of these and your subject to being detained and handcuff for your safety even when not suspected of a crime.
I had freedom to do this and now I don't and neither do you or anyone else.
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