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Old 09-16-2014, 09:08 PM
 
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If you are a typical Tea Partier I am paying for your insurance. Most Tea Party types are covered by Medicare, Tricare, and VA and a few more by Medicaid. So you have a problem with a small number of people getting $16 billion in subsidies while the Tea Party base is part of $750 billion in subsidies? I am paying for 72 million people who form the Tea Party base and the ACA is 6 million who get subsidies. Which is the larger number? Socialism is great isnt it as long as it benefits you..
You financial analysis, ignoring the past contributions of active workers and then calling them leeches in retirement.....makes me think whomever told you things worked that way would be better positioned digging latrines for a living.
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Old 09-16-2014, 09:08 PM
 
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more people with health insurance = lower total costs as fewer ERs are used by uninsured for routine , non emergency treatment.
This is 100% false.
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Old 09-16-2014, 09:08 PM
 
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No it started close to 50 mill uninsured, 30 mill eventually on ACA was the goal.
no, no it didnt.. the 50 million INCLUDED illegals, and when someone pointed out illegals wouldnt be covered, the total was 30 million AMERICANS..

note the story, it says 41 million AMERICANS...

WE NOW HAVE 11 MILLION MORE UNINSURED than before.
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Old 09-16-2014, 09:10 PM
 
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more people with health insurance = lower total costs as fewer ERs are used by uninsured for routine , non emergency treatment.
your own link says you are wrong..

found a 20 percent increase in the rate of hospital admissions among people in the individual market
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Old 09-16-2014, 09:10 PM
 
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Just like higher ed.
Not really. Higher ed costs have increased due to removal of subsidy as state and federal contributions reduced (in general).

Medical costs have been high for a long time and depend on a variety of complex factors. Some non-payment, lots of litigation and a whole bunch of people wanting the best coverage possible include extreme measures near end of life.
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Old 09-16-2014, 09:12 PM
 
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Not really. Higher ed costs have increased due to removal of subsidy as state and federal contributions reduced (in general).
What reductions do you speak of?
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Old 09-16-2014, 09:31 PM
 
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This is 100% false.

No, that's 100% true. Universal health insurance is cheaper because:

A) all people have access to preventative medicine so serious illnesses are diagnosed and treated earlier, and not in the late stage where treatment options are limited, if any
B) people don't clog emergency rooms to receive a costly ER help instead of routing visit to a doctor
C) "economies of scale" dictate that it is cheaper per capita to provide healthcare for 1,000,000 people than for 1,000 people. You never wondered why medicines in canada are so much cheaper than in the US?
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Old 09-16-2014, 09:32 PM
 
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your own link says you are wrong..

found a 20 percent increase in the rate of hospital admissions among people in the individual market
people admitted to hospitals is not the same as people going to ER with problems that could be solved via a typical doctor visit.
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Old 09-16-2014, 09:35 PM
 
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people admitted to hospitals is not the same as people going to ER with problems that could be solved via a typical doctor visit.
Explain to me how people get admitted to a hospital without going to the ER?

Are you telling me that because of ACA we have a 20% increase in the amount of people getting SICK?

And if not, why all of a sudden are they being admitted and how will them being admitted actually REDUCE the cost of insurance, given they will not get a bill for a stay in addition to the ER.

Do you think or is everything you post "random"?
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Old 09-16-2014, 09:36 PM
 
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No, that's 100% true. Universal health insurance is cheaper because:

A) all people have access to preventative medicine so serious illnesses are diagnosed and treated earlier, and not in the late stage where treatment options are limited, if any
B) people don't clog emergency rooms to receive a costly ER help instead of routing visit to a doctor
C) "economies of scale" dictate that it is cheaper per capita to provide healthcare for 1,000,000 people than for 1,000 people. You never wondered why medicines in canada are so much cheaper than in the US?
ACA increases the number of people on medicaid, and medicaid patients use the ER more than any other segment of society.

Again, do you think or is all of this babble just random?
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