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Old 09-27-2014, 06:18 PM
 
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Thats fine.

However, your 3 links are still misleading. proficiency = standards.


the kids are learning the exact same things, the passing grade for the final exam just changes.

For example, I went to high school in Alabama, graduated with honors, and yet, if I had failed any one of my 5 graduation exams, i would not have been allowed to graduate.

Do you honestly believe one bad test should dictate a child's future ?
Sorry wrong link to wrong forum...

And no, I think proficiency exams are the most moronic thing ever thought of, I passed my classes that is proof alone I am proficient.

 
Old 09-27-2014, 06:40 PM
 
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In parochial school, the standards they set for themselves far exceed any state mandated minimums.

Public schools follow a baseline minimum. Which means students get a minimum education. Who set those minimums? As far as I am concerned they are too low. They are designed to let even the stupidest fool move up in the grades for "self esteem" purposes.
Maybe it depends on the area or something. My friend's daughter went to catholic schools until 5th grade then she switched to public schools. She was way behind and had to have a tutor to catch up her to speed.
 
Old 09-27-2014, 06:53 PM
 
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They're not too numerous, and they can cherry-pick their students. Their students do well b/c they have the motivated parents. They are the parents who, in a public school setting, would be the parent volunteers, the PTA presidents, etc.
So, what you are arguing, is that the environment the parents make at home is the key to good education.
 
Old 09-27-2014, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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So, what you are arguing, is that the environment the parents make at home is the key to good education.
That's pretty much what "everyone" says. Of course there are outliers.
 
Old 09-27-2014, 08:24 PM
 
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So, what you are arguing, is that the environment the parents make at home is the key to good education.
Don't you follow this area at all?

The economic and education level of the parents dominate all other factors in how a student will do. And the economic level of the students and the education level of the student's parent will define how well any given school will do.

There are some interesting exceptions...Asians often do a lot better than their parent levels would suggest...but it holds pretty well everywhere.
 
Old 09-28-2014, 07:32 AM
 
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I think the money should follow the child. Our failed education-industrial complex has wasted too many lives and money and it's time for change and more progressive ideas.
 
Old 09-28-2014, 12:05 PM
 
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I think the money should follow the child. Our failed education-industrial complex has wasted too many lives and money and it's time for change and more progressive ideas.
Careful leftist need a uneducated and dependent population to stay in power.
 
Old 09-28-2014, 12:07 PM
 
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Vouchers are fine as long as the money doesn't go to religious institutions. Keep the government out of religion.
 
Old 09-28-2014, 12:14 PM
 
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Vouchers are fine as long as the money doesn't go to religious institutions. Keep the government out of religion.
Secular schools teach the religion of State or of the Collective. In this country the government is a religion.
 
Old 09-28-2014, 12:30 PM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Secular schools teach the religion of State or of the Collective. In this country the government is a religion.
E pluribus unum is on the Great Seal, just saying.

I fully understand that you are making a bigger opinionated argument.
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