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Old 11-02-2014, 05:11 PM
 
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Yes, I guess it doesn't show the total gains and losses since 1999, but attempts to animate them by metropolitan area. Arguing semantics, I reckon.

All I gathered from it, at a short glance, is where jobs increased and decreased year-over-year.
They don't show the data used, so it is really pointless and far more than semantics.

I just quickly looked, but....
From 1999 annual, non-seasonal, total non-farm. This is what I see. CES data. Note picking 1999 gave it a bit of a boost also, over 2000. Look at 2007, then 10 til 2013.

1999-129240
2000-132019
2013-136368

2007-137936
2010-130275

Govt
1999-20307
2000-20790
2013-21864

2007-22218
2010-22490

Population information- Civilian non-institutional. (16 and older)
http://www.bls.gov/web/empsit/cpseea01.htm

1999-207,753
2007-231,867
2013-245,679

Last edited by CDusr; 11-02-2014 at 05:28 PM.. Reason: link added data and link.
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Old 11-03-2014, 05:24 AM
 
Location: Central Nebraska
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Define "job".

The map seems to be based on government figures which make no distinction between loosing a $30-an-hour-50-hour-a-week-5-to-40-year job and replacing it with a $7.50-an-hour-20-hour-a-week-12-week job. So please, define what is meant by "job".
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Old 11-03-2014, 05:41 AM
 
Location: SC
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They don't show the data used, so it is really pointless and far more than semantics.

I just quickly looked, but....
From 1999 annual, non-seasonal, total non-farm. This is what I see. CES data. Note picking 1999 gave it a bit of a boost also, over 2000. Look at 2007, then 10 til 2013.

1999-129240
2000-132019
2013-136368

2007-137936
2010-130275

Govt
1999-20307
2000-20790
2013-21864

2007-22218
2010-22490

Population information- Civilian non-institutional. (16 and older)
A-1. Employment status of the civilian noninstitutional population 16 years and over, prior years to date

1999-207,753
2007-231,867
2013-245,679
They do show the data used. Just click on each individual bubble at any point of time and you will see the underlying data. You can then compare that data point to the published source data.

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Old 11-04-2014, 03:28 PM
 
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They do show the data used. Just click on each individual bubble at any point of time and you will see the underlying data. You can then compare that data point to the published source data.
Actually they do not. Just showing Jobs gained with a number does not explain where the data came from or how it was calculated. They reference what looks like 3 different sources (saw no specifics or links)and no explanation of calculation.
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Old 11-04-2014, 03:37 PM
 
Location: SC
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Actually they do not. Just showing Jobs gained with a number does not explain where the data came from or how it was calculated. They reference what looks like 3 different sources (saw no specifics or links)and no explanation of calculation.

I don't think anyone is going to hand it to you, it certainly isn't enough of a concern for me to go looking in detail... But if you want to research the data used, you should start with the site they quoted (or go to the company's website and look up their data methods). The site says the data source is...

Source: US Bureau of Labor Statistics, Current Employment Statistics and TIP Strategies

Go to the website and search the related tables.

Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (State & Metro Area) Home Page
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Old 11-04-2014, 03:55 PM
 
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Great map.

It is remarkable how evident it is when the stimulus was enacted. Good find!
The economy had already bottomed out was on the upward swing BEFORE the stimulus money was spent.


It seems like Obama supporters want to have it both ways. Use the passage time (note not when the money is spent) to appear closer to the bottom...and then use the time when the money was spent when talking about budgets to spread it over different Fiscal Years.
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Old 11-04-2014, 04:03 PM
 
Location: SC
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The economy had already bottomed out was on the upward swing BEFORE the stimulus money was spent.


It seems like Obama supporters want to have it both ways. Use the passage time (note not when the money is spent) to appear closer to the bottom...and then use the time when the money was spent when talking about budgets to spread it over different Fiscal Years.
The Economic Stimulus act was enacted in Feb of 2008. The country was still badly imploding at that time and according to the map did not start showing recovery (stop turning red) until September 2009.

TARP was signed into law Oct 2008
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Old 11-04-2014, 04:10 PM
 
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The Economic Stimulus act was enacted in Feb of 2008. The country was still badly imploding at that time and according to the map did not start showing recovery (stop turning red) until September 2009.

TARP was signed into law Oct 2008
BUSH's stimulus was passed in Feb. of 2008.

Obama's stimulus was passed in Feb. 2009 - but most of the money wasn't spent until the next Fiscal Year.
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Old 11-04-2014, 04:14 PM
 
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BUSH's stimulus was passed in Feb. of 2008.

Obama's stimulus was passed in Feb. 2009 - but most of the money wasn't spent until the next Fiscal Year.
Why does it matter who was president? The country was imploding and stimulus was used to keep the country from cratering. Stimulus is stimulus and it was needed to stop the slide as the map shows. The economy was not ALREADY RECOVERING as you claim. The map is not political... It is data.

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Old 11-04-2014, 08:20 PM
 
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I don't think anyone is going to hand it to you, it certainly isn't enough of a concern for me to go looking in detail... But if you want to research the data used, you should start with the site they quoted (or go to the company's website and look up their data methods). The site says the data source is...

Source: US Bureau of Labor Statistics, Current Employment Statistics and TIP Strategies

Go to the website and search the related tables.


Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (State & Metro Area) Home Page
LOL. Yes I already showed the sources they claimed earlier and linked to "official" sources with data.(CPS and CES data) (You responded to the post a couple back) Not a matter of handing it to you. It is the difference between a tool and a toy.
As toy, I agree, it doesn't matter.

Visual tools can be useful, but I don't see this one as being that effective. The bubble animation is actually distracting, as well, imo. Some people also enjoy flash animations. I think coolest or fascinating is very much of an oversell, however.
This looks like the source of the visual.
quote:
TIP Strategies is a privately held Austin-based economic development consulting firm committed to providing quality solutions for public and private‑sector clients.
http://tipstrategies.com/blog/2014/1...oull-ever-see/

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