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That is YOUR opinion! If you choose not to believe so be it. However; this country while not necessarily a "Christian" nation was indeed founded on the basis of a Creator. .
You mean the men back then wrote it that way.
Are we locked into the past just because of the popular view of those times?
The country was also OK with slavery back then, too.
As far as having more important things to 'worry' about.
You have trouble chewing gum and walking at the same time too?
You mean the men back then wrote it that way.
Are we locked into the past just because of the popular view of those times?
The country was also OK with slavery back then, too.
As far as having more important things to 'worry' about.
You have trouble chewing gum and walking at the same time too?
Ahhh yes.... b-b-but slavery, and the evil white man... I figured that was coming. That was a very long time ago, so it seems to me that perhaps YOU are the one who is stuck in the past! Yes there are more important things to worry about like our wide open borders, our crappy economy, the growing welfare state, the continued flood of jobs going overseas which is further diminishing our middle class. The erosion of our rights from un-Constitutional programs like the Patriot Act, but hey let's keep worrying about trivial BS like God being in the pledge!
The irony is how Republicans are insulting people by calling them a "socialist" as if it were the same as "satanist", and yet have the ignorance to support a fascist oath written by an actual socialist. The original pledge:
Quote:
At a signal from the Principal the pupils, in ordered ranks, hands to the side, face the Flag. Another signal is given; every pupil gives the flag the military salute — right hand lifted, palm downward, to a line with the forehead and close to it. Standing thus, all repeat together, slowly, "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands; one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all." At the words, "to my Flag," the right hand is extended gracefully, palm upward, toward the Flag, and remains in this gesture till the end of the affirmation; whereupon all hands immediately drop to the side.
The Youth's Companion, 1892
The words "my Flag" were changed to "the Flag of the United States of America" in 1923.
Notice how the original pledge ends with a Nazi-style "Heil Hitler" salute? That was changed during WWII.
The words "under God" weren't added until 1954. Many of the still-living parents and grandparents of participants here may remember reciting the pledge in school without the "under God" part.
They will probably want to abolish Thanksgiving as well
Thanksgiving Proclamation
[New York, 3 October 1789] Page Image.
By the President of the United States of America, a Proclamation. Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor-- and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness.
Now therefore I do recommend and assign Thursday the 26th day of November next to be devoted by the People of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being, who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be-- That we may then all unite in rendering unto him our sincere and humble thanks--for his kind care and protection of the People of this Country previous to their becoming a Nation--for the signal and manifold mercies, and the favorable interpositions of his Providence which we experienced in the course and conclusion of the late war--for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty, which we have since enjoyed--for the peaceable and rational manner, in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted--for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed; and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and in general for all the great and various favors which he hath been pleased to confer upon us. and also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech him to pardon our national and other transgressions-- to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually--to render our national government a blessing to all the people, by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed--to protect and guide all Sovereigns and Nations (especially such as have shewn kindness unto us) and to bless them with good government, peace, and concord--To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the encrease of science among them and us--and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best.
Given under my hand at the City of New York the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789. Go: Washington
we can go back further than that! How about July 4, 1776, and what many consider the founding document of our nation, the Declaration Of Independence:
"...to assume among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them..."
and
"WE hold these truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, and that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,..."
and
"WE, therefore, the Representatives of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the World..."
Hmmmm... "God"...."Creator"...."Supreme Judge of the World"...
Those terms seem pretty plain!
Oh, yeah, and to go back to Washington:
"...To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the encrease of science among them and us--and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best."
Hmmm... "TRUE RELIGION"...
I wonder what he menat by that?
Oh, yeah, and to go back to Washington:
"...To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the encrease of science among them and us--and generally to grant unto all Mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best."
Hmmm... "TRUE RELIGION"...
I wonder what he menat by that?
Washington was a Freemason, so maybe he was referencing whatever it is Freemasons believe in.
I can see the point. Many atheists are very weak minded people; therefore, if they are "forced" to say "under God", it would probably push them towards Christianity.
I can see the point. Many atheists are very weak minded people; therefore, if they are "forced" to say "under God", it would probably push them towards Christianity.
Can you provide a link to that statistic? You know, like an official Study? Anything?
Well, why are you worrying about it then?
By your own admission, there are more pressing matters to attend to.
I'm not the one who feels compelled to file a lawsuit to remove God from the pledge. Secondly, because this political correctness on steroids BS, group think and mob mentality of freedom to say or do whatever only they approve of that is common with progressives, I'm getting to the point that if it p***es progressives off I'm all for it!
..., because this political correctness on steroids BS, group think and mob mentality of freedom to say or do whatever only they approve of...
You're arguing in favor of a government official leading children in a daily recitation of a government-approved loyalty oath with a distinct religious undertone, and yet you decry "group think and mob mentality of freedom to say or do whatever only they approve of"? Wow. That's some fine projection right there.
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That was a very long time ago, so it seems to me that perhaps YOU are the one who is stuck in the past! Yes there are more important things to worry about like our wide open borders, our crappy economy, the growing welfare state, the continued flood of jobs going overseas which is further diminishing our middle class. The erosion of our rights from un-Constitutional programs like the Patriot Act, but hey let's keep worrying about trivial BS like God being in the pledge!
