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Old 11-21-2014, 12:52 PM
 
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Weird, my health insurance rates haven't doubled in two years.
Lucky you. Are you self insured or does your employer provide you with insurance?
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Old 11-21-2014, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Just transplanted to FL from the N GA mountains
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LOL...if they cannot afford insurance, how will they afford the fine....
They'll just claim the EIC credit and it'll wash. Watch them scream then when they don't get their refund for the new 42" TV.
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Old 11-21-2014, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Lucky you. Are you self insured or does your employer provide you with insurance?
Self insured, maybe those that are seeing their rates "double" should talk to the representatives about that to prevent such high increases in such a short period of time.
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Old 11-21-2014, 12:59 PM
 
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Self insured, maybe those that are seeing their rates "double" should talk to the representatives about that to prevent such high increases in such a short period of time.
Have your rates stayed the same? Have they increased or decreased? If so by roughly what percentage.
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Old 11-21-2014, 01:03 PM
 
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Weird, my health insurance rates haven't doubled in two years.
Do people in welfare get billed for insurance?
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Old 11-21-2014, 01:04 PM
 
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Self insured, maybe those that are seeing their rates "double" should talk to the representatives about that to prevent such high increases in such a short period of time.
Was that your suggestion pre ACA?
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Old 11-21-2014, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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There appears to be a small misunderstanding in arguments presented.

Since 1933, the USSA has been a socialist nation on the march to full communism under a benevolent totalitarian police state. Private property rights were abolished (by consent). All enumerated “human resources” are “contributors” to the public debt, bankrupted, and pauperized, eligible for public charity. . . thus status criminals. In short, Americans are in perpetual indebtedness and chattels of the collective state.

If you do not wish to participate, you can withdraw consent from FICA, from usury, and from submission to the Collective. No law compels participation in FICA, banking, or any other revenue taxable privilege. If you were led to believe otherwise, that is not the fault of the law, but the mischievous public servants who have ascended to masters, or their handlers, the real powers that be. Shamey, shamey.

Under the original Republican Form of Government (instituted 1776), American people are endowed with rights that servant government was instituted to secure. However, by consent, one waives endowed rights in exchange for privileges of civil and political liberty. I repeat, by consent, one waives rights.

Proof is found in mandatory militia duty - the obligation to train, fight and die, on command - which appears to be prima facie evidence of the loss of the right to life and liberty.

The Supreme Court has held, in Butler v. Perry, 240 U.S. 328 (1916), that the Thirteenth Amendment does not prohibit "enforcement of those duties which individuals owe to the state, such as services in the army, MILITIA, on the jury, etc." In Selective Draft Law Cases, 245 U.S. 366 (1918), the Supreme Court ruled that the military draft was not "involuntary servitude".

If not involuntary servitude banned by the 13th amendment (and the Declaration of Independence), it must be VOLUNTARY SERVITUDE.

Since the militia are defined as all male citizens (who otherwise qualify), the only characteristic that is voluntary is CITIZENSHIP. Contrary to popular belief, no one can be “born a citizen” unless they were born slaves. Citizenship was and is a voluntary assertion that WAIVES ENDOWED RIGHTS TO LIFE AND LIBERTY AND PROPERTY. It has been so since 1777.

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“ It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.”
- - - George Washington; "Sentiments on a Peace Establishment" in a letter to Alexander Hamilton (2 May 1783); published in The Writings of George Washington (1938), edited by John C. Fitzpatrick, Vol. 26, p. 289.
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Even before the USCON *(1787), George Washington is plainly stating that CITIZENS owe a portion of their property, and their services, to the defense of the nation. Repeat : no absolute ownership of property, no right to liberty, no right to life for voluntary citizens who have mandatory civic duties in exchange for political liberty (voting and holding public office).

If citizenship was imposed at birth, then the Declaration of Independence is void, and of no force and effect, which contradicts the promise of the republican form of government (Art. 4, Sec. 4, USCON) which being part of the Supreme Law of the Land, makes the Declaration also the Supreme Law of the Land.

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"What I do say is that no man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent. I say this is the leading principle, the sheet-anchor of American republicanism. Our Declaration of Independence says: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
- - - Abraham Lincoln, Speech at Peoria, Illinois (1854)
Abraham Lincoln - Wikiquote
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So if you truly want “constitutionally limited indirect democratic form of government” and socialism then you should continue volunteering to be a subject peon status criminal. But if you want to enjoy the blessings of sovereignty, freedom and independence, of the republican form of government, you might need to investigate how and when you gave consent, and how to withdraw that consent.


Do not believe me - go read law (statutes) for yourself.
I am not infallible and may have made an error.

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Communism won in 1933:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/34913488-post10.html

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Old 11-21-2014, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Have your rates stayed the same? Have they increased or decreased? If so by roughly what percentage.
They have seen a small increase from last year, but nothing more of an increase when I use to have insurance with a past employer.
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Old 11-21-2014, 01:08 PM
 
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They'll just claim the EIC credit and it'll wash. Watch them scream then when they don't get their refund for the new 42" TV.
As a recipiant of the EIC credit, and one who hasnt paid taxes in the last 13 years, I know exactly what you mean..

One thing I've also noted is that the tax penalty isnt due (April 15th) until far after the cut off to have insurance, meaning that by time people realize the penalty for last year, it'll be too late to avoid the penalties for this year..

I wonder how much of this is by design.. Oh I know.. all of it..
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Old 11-21-2014, 01:09 PM
 
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They have seen a small increase from last year, but nothing more of an increase when I use to have insurance with a past employer.
I guess you are one of the winners then in this game. Not everyone has been as lucky as you. I'm not kidding about the doubling of rates. I wish I was.
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