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Old 12-02-2014, 10:36 PM
 
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It is sad, when you have to deprogram your kid at the dinner table, for crap programmed into their heads during the day, by other adults with good intentions but fall very short in execution.

They can't even control their kid and they are telling your kid some crap, or you how to raise yours.
Bent....you're making too much sense here, lol
Then again I love it

I totally concur with the entire original post, too.
Bad parenting is the root of the downfall of this society.
It's disturbing to see how many single parents are out there seeking to hook up & act like teens again,
rather than stay home with the kids & do their jobs as parents properly.
Messed up culture.

 
Old 12-03-2014, 02:25 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Some peoples dogs, mind them better than their kids.
Makes you wonder if dog training works for kids too.
Dogs also never have a brain capacity higher than a toddler either. So not really a good comparison once a child begins to move beyond the toddler stage.
 
Old 12-03-2014, 07:52 AM
 
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The root of all evils in the USA today.

Teaching right from wrong at an early age, along with staying on top of them as they learn everyday, on the way to adulthood.

In every conclusion: Good or bad, Parenting has been the driver for the outcome of the soon to be adults(if they make it that far, in the cases of bad)

From the doctors that sacrifice themselves to go treat Ebola patients, to the jobless thugs that prey on the weak in society. It all starts with the parents, which direction the kids life will take.
I agree with this but what forces are acting on parents? In other words, is bad parenting a genetic predisposition or does society play a role in the way it treats different groups of people, which in turn impact parenting when these groups of people produce children.

In the animal kingdom, all the offspring has to do to learn how to survive is to emulate the actions and behaviors of its parents, for those things that are not instinctive. If the adult animals habitat has been manipulated to the degree that the adults struggle to survive, then the adults cannot teach the offspring how to survive. Socialization and acculturation manifest naturally via emulation. If the parent does not have the survival skills to flourish, it cannot demonstrate to the offspring.

Current poverty is the greatest predictor of future poverty. Current wealth is the greatest predictor of future wealth. The poor tend to be the offspring of the poor, the middle class tend to be the offspring of the middle class and the rich tend to be the offspring of the rich. Its not hardly a caste system poor people can and do become middle class or rich and rich people can lose it all and become poor. However, each class tend to reproduce itself via socialization and acculturation via emulation. The poor demonstrate how to be poor and the young pick up the values and socialization. Each strata demonstrates reproducing the strata.

That said, parenting is very important but parenting is greatly influenced by other factors.
 
Old 12-03-2014, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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I agree with this but what forces are acting on parents? In other words, is bad parenting a genetic predisposition or does society play a role in the way it treats different groups of people, which in turn impact parenting when these groups of people produce children.

In the animal kingdom, all the offspring has to do to learn how to survive is to emulate the actions and behaviors of its parents, for those things that are not instinctive. If the adult animals habitat has been manipulated to the degree that the adults struggle to survive, then the adults cannot teach the offspring how to survive. Socialization and acculturation manifest naturally via emulation. If the parent does not have the survival skills to flourish, it cannot demonstrate to the offspring.

Current poverty is the greatest predictor of future poverty. Current wealth is the greatest predictor of future wealth. The poor tend to be the offspring of the poor, the middle class tend to be the offspring of the middle class and the rich tend to be the offspring of the rich. Its not hardly a caste system poor people can and do become middle class or rich and rich people can lose it all and become poor. However, each class tend to reproduce itself via socialization and acculturation via emulation. The poor demonstrate how to be poor and the young pick up the values and socialization. Each strata demonstrates reproducing the strata.

That said, parenting is very important but parenting is greatly influenced by other factors.
Good post. Every person has habits and attitudes that shape who they become, and that usually comes from the people you're surrounded by. Parents should raise their kids peacefully and lovingly, but guide them toward good habits and good people. If the parents don't develop successful characteristics, the kids will likely end up the same unless they happen to find friends or other influences that shape them into something else.
 
Old 12-03-2014, 09:41 PM
 
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Bent....you're making too much sense here, lol
Then again I love it

I totally concur with the entire original post, too.
Bad parenting is the root of the downfall of this society.
It's disturbing to see how many single parents are out there seeking to hook up & act like teens again,
rather than stay home with the kids & do their jobs as parents properly.
Messed up culture.
That is just not true. Yes parents are essential in guiding their kids but they can only do so much. I've always believed we were born predetermined. Parents can't control their kids brain. Are you are saying that every rapist, child molester, murderers and whatever.....are the parents fault.
 
Old 12-04-2014, 01:53 AM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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That is just not true. Yes parents are essential in guiding their kids but they can only do so much. I've always believed we were born predetermined. Parents can't control their kids brain. Are you are saying that every rapist, child molester, murderers and whatever.....are the parents fault.


A lot of truth, in certain post. However I would have to concur with you on this. A rapist, a child molester, murderers, robbers, gang bangers, are not the fault of the parents in most situations, where the child, had good morals and guidance and love by the parents. And a good up bringing as did his or her siblings but somehow this one child, had to be different.

But as we know, there are parents who should not be parents PERIOD. And I know some of them who should not be. There so busy being friends with their children, and spoiling them rotten, and wanting a popular child. They do not guide there children, and teach them good values. For gosh sakes some do not teach right from wrong. If a child is not going to respect there parent, they sure as hell ain't going to respect anyone else.

And too many children today growing up without a Father influence, which I happen to think is important. Running a muck, without any guidance, or have learned right from wrong. Or a Parent who seems to make excuses for their children, when they have found out that they have done wrong. And never teaching them the consequences, for bad decisions and choices they have made. I do believe that parental guidance and nurture and sometimes tough love is needed.

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Old 12-04-2014, 07:14 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Dogs also never have a brain capacity higher than a toddler either. So not really a good comparison once a child begins to move beyond the toddler stage.

Like a pup, you better get on it at an early age, or you are going to have a stupid dog to deal with.
 
Old 12-04-2014, 07:17 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Are you are saying that every rapist, child molester, murderers and whatever.....are the parents fault.

I didn't say that exactly like that, you did.... but that pretty much sums it up.
 
Old 12-04-2014, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Like a pup, you better get on it at an early age, or you are going to have a stupid dog to deal with.
And yet, like a pup, you can do everything right and the dog still turn out bad. Parenting is very important, but the most important part of good parenting is to teach the child to take responsibility of their own actions when they are an adult.
 
Old 12-04-2014, 06:09 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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And yet, like a pup, you can do everything right and the dog still turn out bad. Parenting is very important, but the most important part of good parenting is to teach the child to take responsibility of their own actions when they are an adult.

Says who? You?

Never had that happen and I have had plenty of dogs. I have 3 now, that know what I'm thinking before I say it. One of which I didn't raise. My dad did and now after two years with us, he is getting with the program.

Responsibility is great and taught by, the punishment for a bad choice.
My teaching is to think long and hard before you act, as your choice may be the difference in great reward, or getting your ass beat.
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