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Old 12-16-2014, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Humboldt County, CA
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Drs. Michael Harrison and Scott Adzick, two pioneers in the field of fetal surgery who set about "upending science as the world knew it" in the early '80s.
"The first open fetal surgery – to correct a dangerously advanced urinary tract infection – was performed in 1981. Over thirty years ago, Harrison and Adzick, at least, knew that they were not operating on some non-sentient clump of cells. These are babies, with the sort of medical problems that affect the rest of us, needing care as we all do."

Read more: Blog: Fetal surgery gives the lie to 'clump of cells' talking point
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Fascinating, and very informative, this article dispels the myth. It explains how "abortion-boosters must resort to scientifically illiterate relativistic nonsense about feelings," in order to hide from the gruesome facts of the industry of death that they support.

There are also important links, including one with a video (Abortionist: Late Term Abortion Injection Into a Baby is Basically Like a Flu Shot - Katie Pavlich) exposing the heinousness of abortion and those who work at the abortion mills.

We cannot any longer deny the humanness of what lives in the mothers womb, or the individual life that it is.

Please read.
Stringing a bunch of vaguely scientific words and links into a stream-of-consciousness blog post doesn't actually make it scientific.

Nothing at all is proven here other than there are enough right-wing journals willing to misstate and stretch actual information to suit their agenda. This is all light on actual substance and heavy on propaganda.

Good try, better luck next time.
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Old 12-16-2014, 10:26 AM
 
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Where does this "control over her own reproductive organs" begin? It does not begin when she becomes pregnant, which obviously means she was not "controlling" her behavior or her "reproductive organs."

"controlling her behavior" you now the morality police for all of womanhood? women can be as sexual as they please, use or not use BC just as a man does. saying yes to sex is not saying yes to pregnancy.
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Old 12-16-2014, 10:30 AM
 
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Fetal surgery didn't expose the lie. Medical science defines life as having began from conception. Every medical student is taught that from their very first classes in medical school. And every medical book on the birthing process defines it from conception as well. The only people who deny that are liberals. You'd think with them being self-proclaimed intellectuals they wouldn't outright deny scientific facts. But to them, they only use science as a means to push a personal agenda. They don't truly care about what's fact or fiction as long as it supports and pushes their view.

being a "life" at conception does not mean it can live outside the womb. you think it is right to force a woman to remain pregnant and deliver a child against her will?
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Old 12-16-2014, 10:35 AM
 
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being a "life" at conception does not mean it can live outside the womb. you think it is right to force a woman to remain pregnant and deliver a child against her will?
And a newborn cannot live outside the womb without a human to care for it. Are you advocating eliminating a child if a woman decides she does not want it after giving birth? After all, its her "choice".
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Old 12-16-2014, 10:37 AM
 
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And a newborn cannot live outside the womb without a human to care for it. Are you advocating eliminating a child if a woman decides she does not want it after giving birth? After all, its her "choice".

any "human" can take care of a new born it does not have to be the woman who gave birth to it. your logic fails.
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Old 12-16-2014, 10:44 AM
 
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any "human" can take care of a new born it does not have to be the woman who gave birth to it. your logic fails.
No, the "logic" of the left is the continuing existence of an unborn child is literally at the whim of the mother. Why does this not continue immediately after the birth of a child? The mother's "choice" no longer matters ten minutes after birth?
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Old 12-16-2014, 10:48 AM
 
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No, the "logic" of the left is the continuing existence of an unborn child is literally at the whim of the mother. Why does this not continue immediately after the birth of a child? The mother's "choice" no longer matters ten minutes after birth?
again your logic fails. it does not continue after birth because the child is wanted. as all children should be. you do know that most abortions happen before 12 weeks?
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Old 12-16-2014, 10:54 AM
 
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again your logic fails. it does not continue after birth because the child is wanted. as all children should be. you do know that most abortions happen before 12 weeks?
"Wanted" should not constitute the right to exist. MANY children are not wanted after birth but practically no one advocates eliminating them.
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Old 12-16-2014, 10:56 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Sorry, I edited my post while you were posting this. Your "argument" is that surgeons were able to correct a fetal defect in utero. That is a fact. What follows that is the usual anti-choice rhetoric about it "not being just a clump of cells." Those words were not the words of the surgeons, they were written by a blog writer who is anti-choice. Same old, same old.
That's your assumption. I think if you read the article correctly and in proper context it becomes clear that the writer was accurately reflecting the views of the two surgeons.
"Over thirty years ago, Harrison and Adzick, at least, knew that they were not operating on some non-sentient clump of cells. These are babies, with the sort of medical problems that affect the rest of us, needing care as we all do."
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Old 12-16-2014, 11:01 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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no woman should be forced to remain pregnant, labor, deliver and either raise or give a child up for adoption against her will, period. fetal surgery is great but has no bearing on a woman having control over her own reproductive organs. two different subjects
I am sick of these talking points myself. If women are in control of their organs, then perhaps they should do a better job of managing them. Rape aside. No woman/girl should bear those burdens.
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