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What do you think the percentage of conservative women as opposed to liberals is? I don't know the answer. I'm just speculating. But I suspect that because of belief systems, those who call themselves "liberal" are probably vastly more likely to have "illegitimate" children.
Women are supposed to be the rational ones.....They have the power to provide a "nest" for any future children. You are correct it is a shame a woman does things that stigmatizes her child but society didn't cause the problem. She did...
No more outdated than the term retarded, also a valid and accurate term which has fallen into disfavor due to liberal concerns over feelings.
And I'm illegitimate so I speak with more authority than you do here.
Ughh, really?? I don't think it has anything to do with being liberal or not. I know some very respectable conservative people who wouldn't refer to someone as retarded or illegitimate, just because it seems disrespectful to do so. Language can still convey a message and not be disrespectful, or better yet, left unsaid if it's not necessary to bring up.
Using the term "developmentally disabled" or saying someone is born to unwed parents (or something similar) rather than calling them "illegitimate" or a bastard isn't always about being politically correct or trying to sugar coat something. It can just be to be more respectful to the person being referred to.
Women are supposed to be the rational ones.....They have the power to provide a "nest" for any future children. You are correct it is a shame a woman does things that stigmatizes her child but society didn't cause the problem. She did...
are you pro choice? should she of had an abortion when the father skipped town? or do you think she is just bad because she had sex in the first place? let me guess you are a man.
This thread thread leaves me stunned. I live just about as Father Knows Best as is possible in this world, and I'd like to castrate any man who walks away from his progeny. When people flippantly dismiss pregnancy as solely the responsibility of the woman, they are supporting irresponsible male sexuality. Is this really the way we want to raise our sons? I don't think so. It's certainly not the way I'm raising my sons.
A guy wouldn't get away with it if a woman didn't let him.....
It never happened on Father knows best!!!
Ughh, really?? I don't think it has anything to do with being liberal or not. I know some very respectable conservative people who wouldn't refer to someone as retarded or illegitimate, just because it seems disrespectful to do so. Language can still convey a message and not be disrespectful, or better yet, left unsaid if it's not necessary to bring up.
Using the term "developmentally disabled" or born to unwed parents (or something similar) isn't always about being politically correct or trying to sugar coat something. It can just be to be respectful to the person being referred to.
Yes, I do agree with this. That said, illegitimacy isn't something we should be trying to destigmatize either. It's something which is bad, which we should continue to agree is bad, but at the same time you shouldn't refer to an individual that way in the same way that you don't call someone fat or retarded or whatever unless of course you are deliberately trying to insult.
Its just calling a spade a spade....
I bet you don't like when there are tryouts for sports in grade school since its only fair that everyone gets to play....
How are the two even similar. If a kid doesn't make it in a tryout, it's becasue the kid didn't preform well. If a kid is deemed 'illegitimate' it's because two entirely different people did something without his/her knowledge or consent. Label the unmarried parents if it's so important, though I can think of no actual reason to have a word for it, but don't place blame on the kid, who had nothing to do with his conception or birth.
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Then maybe the mother should think twice before society puts a label on her behavior....
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What if, and this is just a crazy idea, society is the problem? I mean, not that it's ever been wrong before, just ask any black person about America in the 60s. But what if this time, society is the one with a problem?
Also, as I already said, the mother isn't the one getting labeled.
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I think God does love all. But that isn't the point, is it.
I'm curious what the criteria is for God to be relevant in political discussion. It's almost as if people only play the God card when it's helpful, but the second it contradicts your goal, God is a separate entity.
But just for fun, would God blame, and consequently label, the child for the actions of his/her parents, or is God thoughtful?
Illegitimate child does not mean evil, sinful, horrible, unwanted, never-should-have-been-born love child of doooom!
It's a legal term used to mean, simply, that the parents weren't legally bound in matrimony.
That's ALL it means.
I wish people would stop assigning emotion (usually negative) to perfectly fine, literal words.
Today, this is true. In the past, it was used to describe people who could legally not inherit, who could legally not practice certain professions, and whom no "decent" person would marry, because their children's pedigree would be in question. The child so described was also thought to be morally tainted from birth, which is why the word "bastard" was such an insult. Exceptions were made - as usual - for the illegitimate children of nobility and royalty, but others were consigned to the social dungheap.
We no longer make those distinctions in legal status between the children of married and unmarried couples. So the term has clearly outlived its usefulness. Because, as others here have noted, civilized people no longer think that children should be ostracized because of their parent's marital status. Further, most people no longer think that a couple's legal status is anyone else's business.
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conservative ladies are also single moms?
I don't think it has anything to do with being liberal or not. I know some very respectable conservative people who wouldn't refer to someone as retarded or illegitimate, just because it seems disrespectful to do so. Language can still convey a message and not be disrespectful, or better yet, left unsaid if it's not necessary to bring up.
