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Old 01-06-2015, 03:33 AM
 
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It's an opinion article from a yet another nut case who blames society instead of the killer for the crime. A quick summary of her other articles demonstrates more of the same.
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Old 01-06-2015, 03:53 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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No surprise that the gun came from a state with weak gun laws, no background checks, no penalties for straw purchasers, no report on missing guns.





New York Police Trace Ismaaiyl Brinsley Gun to Georgia Arrowhead Shop | The New Republic


What does it matter?
My guns came from Florida, Colorado and Massachusetts. None of which are traceable to where they were purchased.

Sounds like they had something to go by, to see where the gun was purchased.
Some kind of information was kept in a registry.(registries are illegal for guns.)
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Old 01-06-2015, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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I actually get what goodnight is trying to say. At one point the last legal buyer bought the gun which requires a check and paperwork. At some point in the timeline the gun went into another person's hands from the last legal documented owner and lost history after that.

If the last legal owner sold it without documentation and the weapon was used in a crime the last legal documented owner could be held for charges if goodnight had his way. Unless the weapon was stolen from the last legal owner which then the last legal owner would be clear of wrong doing.

What I think goodnight is trying to portray, is that if there were stricter laws for private sales if a person knows it could come back to haunt them they would be more careful who they sell it to with legal proof who they sold it to.

Still that is not to say a criminal won't be able to get a gun somehow some way.
Correct, if private sales were regulated then we would know the last legal owner and it could be traced, that would be a deterrent to most people but certainly not all. Georgia has only 2 laws on the books outside of federal regulations one of which is the prohibition of strawman purchases, lacking any regulation of private transfers I would expect that the conviction rate on that law amounts to zero.

This is why many illegal guns originate in Georgia, no waiting period, multiple purchases allowed in a short period of time and no tracking.
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Old 01-06-2015, 06:48 AM
 
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Golly gosh, if one were to believe many of the posts on this thread, if it weren't for Georgia there would be no crimes committed with illegal guns (whatever that term implies) lol
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Old 01-06-2015, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Does it matter? It was across states lines....

Simple question....no matter if a 4473 is involved or not....

It's a federal law....



Who knows? They fill out the proper form and call the proper number to ensure the 4473 is filled out correctly...right?

So, if they are so bad and that is a "very popular dealership for criminals" in your own words.....why have the feds not shut them down?

Maybe it's because your mentor joe biden has stated they don't have time? Have you EVER thought about that?
There is no indication that the purchaser or his cousin took it across state lines.

How could the feds shut down the pawn shop. everything is legal according to state and federal law but they are a prime source nationally of guns used in a crime. So why are they such a popular destination?
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Old 01-06-2015, 06:57 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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There is no indication that the purchaser or his cousin took it across state lines.

How could the feds shut down the pawn shop. everything is legal according to state and federal law but they are a prime source nationally of guns used in a crime. So why are they such a popular destination?
Because they have smokin good deals that's why. Or you can pay full price at a local shop for the same thing. Guns aren't like cars that will completely wear out with a few thousand miles. Some of the best deals are places that sell used weapons. Even us poor saps can buy out of State but have to have it shipped to an FFL so the Govt can get their cut (which is obscene).
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Old 01-06-2015, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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And what goodnight is wanting has already been studied, a leaked memo from the DOJ shows most illegal gun purchases are local and the out of state boogie man is just a ruse to inact more draconian gun legislation.

Supply sources can vary in different parts of the country. An NIJ funded study of the Los Angeles illicit gun market noted: “Results showed that many crime guns were first purchased at local—that is, in county—licensed dealers, rather than from out of state. That is, a gun markets can be highly local contrary to the conventional wisdom that crime guns were being trafficked across state borders from places with less stringent regulations,
such as Arizona and Nevada, we found that a majority of the guns used in crimes were purchased in Los
Angeles County.”
http://static.infowars.com/2013/02/i...olicy-memo.pdf
Boogeyman, ruse LOL

The fact is that 90% of guns used in a crime in NYC come from out of state, try to debate that fact, illegal guns are trafficked from states with weak guns laws are you really trying to make a case that this is incorrect.
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Old 01-06-2015, 07:07 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Boogeyman, ruse LOL

The fact is that 90% of guns used in a crime in NYC come from out of state, try to debate that fact, illegal guns are trafficked from states with weak guns laws are you really trying to make a case that this is incorrect.
I buy out of State because it's cheaper and legal to do so. hmmmm check out gunbroker, cabelas, cheaper than dirt, the list is endless. All out of my State and all cheaper than a brick and mortar store. You Yawkins can buy from those stores too.

WHO KNEW
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Old 01-06-2015, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Boogeyman, ruse LOL

The fact is that 90% of guns used in a crime in NYC come from out of state, try to debate that fact, illegal guns are trafficked from states with weak guns laws are you really trying to make a case that this is incorrect.
Of course because NY has tough gun laws. See how they DON'T work ?
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Old 01-06-2015, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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No surprise that the gun came from a state with weak gun laws, no background checks, no penalties for straw purchasers, no report on missing guns.
One gun? And you use one gun to make that educated opinion? Are you out of grade school?
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