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View Poll Results: Would you support a free two year education for only students that graduate?
yes 36 33.03%
no 63 57.80%
Tom Brady is getting another ring this year 10 9.17%
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Old 01-11-2015, 10:47 AM
 
Location: NJ
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The secret to a free edu is having your parents divorce and then the judge makes your dad pay for whatever school you want, cost be damned.

Saying you have an education is like saying you caught a fish. You talking a croppie of a bluefin tuna?

Meaning that, in theory, an education translates to an assumption of intelligence, unfortunately that is not true. the key to a good education, and missing at most schools, is critical thinking. Instead, institutional regurgitation is required to pass national or state exams to justify teacher peerformance.

So to achieve the intended affect of a higher educated country we should be looking at what we are buying in terms of edu and make required changes. the feds solution to everything is more money exclusive of reducing cost.

Look at eu countries where herds of PhDs are turned out each year. There are PhDs doing BS degree work her in the states and not enough jobs in their home countries to employ everyone.

then with "government money" giving life to the edu system, the edu system in return does the governmet bidding. So much for independant study when the wind blows the scent of government grants toward the hungry pack of universities desperate for funds.
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Old 01-11-2015, 10:48 AM
 
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No such thing as a free education. Someone always has to pay and the more government gets involved, the higher tuition cost rises. Besides, the problem with education isn't at the college level. The problem is middle and high school and the source starts at the federal level. Teachers and local schools need the freedom to FAIL or hold back students who are below or behind the level of their classmates, especially at the elementary school grades level. Stop doing social engineering classes and focus early grade lessons on reading, writing, and basic math. Why advance to other subjects if the students cannot read? Save the more abstract type lessons for the later school years. Provide honors and recognition for academic achievement as much as or more than today's schools give to their jocks. Seems some schools care more about having star football & basketball players & championships than an educated student body.

If there is money in the department of education's budget to provide free community college, then transfer that extra cash towards public school budget for building maintenance, building renovations, and school supplies.

Who paid for Lincoln's law education?
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Old 01-11-2015, 10:51 AM
 
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We must increase the education of our country if we wish to compete on the world wide level, and win.
Gotta get past high school first
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Old 01-11-2015, 10:51 AM
 
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The secret to a free education is having your parents divorce and then the judge makes your dad pay for whatever school you want, cost be damned.

Saying you have an education is like saying you caught a fish. You talking a croppie of a bluefin tuna?

Meaning that, in theory, an education translates to an assumption of intelligence, unfortunately that is not true. the key to a good education, and missing at most schools, is critical thinking. Instead, institutional regurgitation is required to pass national or state exams to justify teacher peerformance.

So to achieve the intended affect of a higher educated country we should be looking at what we are buying in terms of edu and make required changes. the feds solution to everything is more money exclusive of reducing cost.

Look at eu countries where herds of PhDs are turned out each year. There are PhDs doing BS degree work her in the states and not enough jobs in their home countries to employ everyone.

then with "government money" giving life to the edu system, the edu system in return does the governmet bidding. So much for independant study when the wind blows the scent of government grants toward the hungry pack of universities desperate for funds.

How does that work when you have only one parent, who has no job?
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Old 01-11-2015, 10:53 AM
 
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How does that work when you have only one parent, who has no job?
Unless your parent makes a lot of money, you'll get free (or close to free) education. Just go to one of the traditional schools with large endowments.
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Old 01-11-2015, 10:57 AM
 
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Unless your parent makes a lot of money, you'll get free (or close to free) education. Just go to one of the traditional schools with large endowments.

BZZT! My grades were top 3 percent in my class and my test scores were top 3 percent nationally, and alll I got was a New York State scholarship worth $100 a year for books.
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Old 01-11-2015, 10:58 AM
 
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BZZT! My grades were top 3 percent in my class and my test scores were top 3 percent nationally, and alll I got was a New York State scholarship worth $100 a year for books.
Did you apply to Harvard, Penn, Princeton, etc.?
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Old 01-11-2015, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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A better way to go about this would really be to provide free tuition at four-year schools but only to students meeting certain requirements like being in the top 25% of their high school classes and maintaining grades with a second chance provision for capable students who didn't work hard in high school but grow up after some non-free semesters at either a CC or a university. Also, this should be done on the state, rather than federal, level.

Unfortunately, everyone has to be a "winner" so that's not PC enough.

On another note - anyone who attended any type of public college or university and would call these young people leeches or takers is completely missing that taxpayers funded their education too. None of the ardent opponents of funding education ever seem to address this point when it's raised.
A number of states kind of already do that though.
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Old 01-11-2015, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Pacific NW
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We must increase the education of our country if we wish to compete on the world wide level, and win.
It needs to start in K-12, not by handing out free college. Stop grade inflation in high schools, expect the kids to actually perform and stop rewarding them when they don't. Most kids who graduate high school aren't ready or able to perform in college - far to many can't even read - and the number who are prepared is getting smaller every year giving them "free" college isn't going to solve the problem of needing a more educated workforce. It's just going to result in even more uneducated, ignorant paper holders who still aren't productive or worth hiring.
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Old 01-11-2015, 11:11 AM
 
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Did you apply to Harvard, Penn, Princeton, etc.?

No; first I tried Amherst and when they rejected me, figured the others were out of the question.
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