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For me, it's not the giving to the poor that I gripe about. I voluntarily give to people who ask for donations. I gripe about others forcing me to pay the government, who then decides where my money goes (which may or may not be to someone who legitimately needs it).
again you sound cheap. because you give to charities you don't get a pass on that part of your taxes. most people do give to charity. run for office if you don't like how taxes are spent.
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I view people who gripe how much tax they pay to the poor as cheap. I mean really, how much comes out of your pocket a year?
Between income tax and sales tax, around $40,000/year. Do you not realize what a significant chuck of peoples' money goes to taxes? People that don't have jobs don't seem to comprehend how ridiculous taxes are.
Instead of mandatorily deducting the tax directly from your paycheck, give everyone the option of how much they want to contribute towards welfare programs. Do you think, when it came time to writing that number down, that liberals would be paying the same amount they pay now. Or even more?
I bet welfare funding would drop to nearly nothing.
as long as I get to elect how much of my paycheck goes to the CIA, NSA, and military
my math would be cut it by 1/4 and put 0 to CIA, NSA, and military
Between income tax and sales tax, around $40,000/year. Do you not realize what a significant chuck of peoples' money goes to taxes? People that don't have jobs don't seem to comprehend how ridiculous taxes are.
It cost money to live.
And it cost more to live in a society.
Most of these costs are not optional.
Many of those costs are more easily born by society than by the individual.
Where is the break even point?
How much is too much tax for society to operate smoothly?
How much is too little tax for society to operate smoothly?
If you don't like a program because it is inefficient or not needed, then give evidence of the waste and a way to reform it and then get your pals to agree and approve.
If you don't like a program because you just don't want to pay, go find some far off land where you can make all the rules and live as you like.
Between income tax and sales tax, around $40,000/year. Do you not realize what a significant chuck of peoples' money goes to taxes? People that don't have jobs don't seem to comprehend how ridiculous taxes are.
the op is about specifically welfare tax, not what we pay combined for all things. when people gripe about "how much their taxes pay for welfare" in reality they probably spend more in a year on beer & pizza then the dollar amount of "their" taxes that is spent on welfare.
odd, they are not mad about all the other tax we pay. not only is it selfish and cheap it is an attitude of superiority.
It cost money to live.
And it cost more to live in a society.
Most of these costs are not optional.
Many of those costs are more easily born by society than by the individual.
Where is the break even point?
How much is too much tax for society to operate smoothly?
How much is too little tax for society to operate smoothly?
If you don't like a program because it is inefficient or not needed, then give evidence of the waste and a way to reform it and then get your pals to agree and approve.
If you don't like a program because you just don't want to pay, go find some far off land where you can make all the rules and live as you like.
Instead of mandatorily deducting the tax directly from your paycheck, give everyone the option of how much they want to contribute towards welfare programs. Do you think, when it came time to writing that number down, that liberals would be paying the same amount they pay now. Or even more?
I bet welfare funding would drop to nearly nothing.
Ask how much they wish to contribute and then tell them how much of that contribution will be lost to accepted waste and inefficentcy. subtract the W&E from the amount designated as contribution.
When will the voters ever stand up and tell prospective elected representatives what they expect rather than listen to what the candidate tells them he will do?
All budgets should be frozen until each program shows what waste and inefficiency have been eliminated to reduce the original projected budget. A candidate who does that desrves to be elected for life, as in re-elected, instead of a life time job because they share some phenotypical or ethnic background in common.
Originally Posted by MaseMan View Post
Is your ambition to be a rich person in a nation full of poor people who don't see their basic needs met? How noble of you.
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Originally Posted by no_more_handouts
Is your ambition to provide financial security for your kids in a nation full of lazy people who prefer to leech off of the system? How noble of you.
See. You're not the only one that can play word games.
Funny thing is that there is a thread of truth to both of these statements, yet neither one of them is 100% of the truth. It's absolute comments like this that keep us all fighting.
Why can't people believe that:
1. There is a need for welfare, and to provide for the needy means that some people will take advantage of the system, whilst;
2. There are some lazy-ass people out there who take advantage of the system, and to weed all of them out would mean that people who really need it won't get it.
I realize there is a full spectrum of (realistic) beliefs along the continuum of what is right, but nobody (I think) can say with a strait face that there are not at lease some people who need help, nor can anyone say with a strait face that NO people take advantage.
Instead of always finding what is wrong (there is plenty to find), why not try to figure out the best mix of what is right,and then take it a step further and realize that your "right" may not be the same as someone else's, but through compromise, we can surely do better than we do right now...
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not only is it selfish and cheap it is an attitude of superiority.
