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People in red states are more subservient and obedient to their corporate and industrial overlords. Who can blame companies for wanting to relocate to them? I can't blame them when they ship jobs away from any state to china or mexico,
They hate unions and are proud to make it illegal to enter into certain contracts with a union (they call it "right to work.")
We oppose being forced to join a union to get a job at a company. A lot of people can earn more not being in the union. A union is basically a group of peoel who wants to negotiate every employees salary at the company, even before many of them are even hired.
Independent, confident people want to negotiate their own salary with a company. If you have knowldge and skills, you will get paid more by an employer than going through a union.
A union is the overlord and masters of many. Opposition to being forced to join unions is actually an act of independence and freedom. Unions are allowed in the south, just not the closed shop version that forces all employees to join to get the job.
We oppose being forced to join a union to get a job at a company. A lot of people can earn more not being in the union. A union is basically a group of peoel who wants to negotiate every employees salary at the company, even before many of them are even hired.
Independent, confident people want to negotiate their own salary with a company. If you have knowldge and skills, you will get paid more by an employer than going through a union.
A union is the overlord and masters of many. Opposition to being forced to join unions is actually an act of independence and freedom. Unions are allowed in the south, just not the closed shop version that forces all employees to join to get the job.
Right-to-work is evil within the U.S. system, because of a little something termed by the courts the "duty of fair representation."
Essentially if a union is registered as the collective bargaining agent for a workplace, it is supposed to represent all employees in the bargaining unit without prejudice. This includes non-members. So in an open shop if a non-member feels that they were wrongly disciplined, discharged, etc. they can contact their shop steward or local rep. And if the rep does not provide them with equal service to a member, they can sue under the duty of fair representation, costing the union potentially millions of dollars.
Also related to this, currently in the U.S. system, it is unlawful for unions to engage in what is termed "members-only bargaining." In other countries a union could agree to a contract which says that only members of the union get a certain pay raise, or access to certain benefits, or a grievance procedure. In the U.S. all aspects of a union contract have to apply to members and non-members alike.
This creates a major free-rider problem. Imagine if under law you could move into an area with a homeowners association, refuse to pay the local dues, and force them to continue to provide services to you. Or hell, that you could refuse to pay taxes and still collect government benefits with no repercussions. The way the system is set up, in an open shop, it's actually in your own self-interest to *not* join a union, because you'll get all the benefits for free.
We oppose being forced to join a union to get a job at a company.
You'd think that freedom loving small government conservatives would stay out of private contract law and leave that up to the employers and the employees to decide. Right-to-work makes it illegal to engage in such contracts. It takes that bargaining chip off the table by making it illegal.
In fact, right-to-work is the ONLY time I've seen Republicans try to use regulations to "protect" workers in the past 30 years. Amazing that the only thing Republicans want to protect us from are those evil unions. Seems anyone with an IT over 90 would be able to see that it's just another method of keeping wealth out of the hands of the workers.
We oppose being forced to join a union to get a job at a company. A lot of people can earn more not being in the union. A union is basically a group of peoel who wants to negotiate every employees salary at the company, even before many of them are even hired.
Independent, confident people want to negotiate their own salary with a company. If you have knowldge and skills, you will get paid more by an employer than going through a union.
A union is the overlord and masters of many. Opposition to being forced to join unions is actually an act of independence and freedom. Unions are allowed in the south, just not the closed shop version that forces all employees to join to get the job.
Wrong...most nonunion workers earn far less than their union counterparts.
You don't understand right to work. Without right to work, you can be forced to join a union if you want a job at the company. You aren't allowed to negotiate your own contract.
You don't understand the arguments against unions. Right to work is about protecting worker rights.
Wrong...most nonunion workers earn far less than their union counterparts.
Ok, so why do unions want to force everybody at the company into a union? If the mavericks are getting paid less if they don't join unions, why do unions want to force them into the union? The reason is a union can't be effective unless all the employees are in it, because the com[pany would prefer to hire the non-union people.
Unions are actually at war with independent workers, not with companies. They are for worker rights as long as you agree with them on what those are. They decide that, not you.
Unions are just a 3rd party, a group of people that an worker doesn't even know, who wants to negotiate salaries on your behalf, with no consideration of your individual skills and knowledge. It is hard to argue that the ideal situation for workers with knowledge and skills.
Unions basically treat everybody the same, so you can't be rewarded for working harder or just being better at your job. You really sell yourself short by joining a union.
You don't understand right to work. Without right to work, you can be forced to join a union if you want a job at the company. You aren't allowed to negotiate your own contract.
You don't understand the arguments against unions. Right to work is about protecting worker rights.
Wrong. The employer can choose whether or not to be a closed shop (aka require you join a union as a condition of employment.) Well, they used to be able to. Small-government conservatives have made such contracts illegal.
Nobody is forcing you to work somewhere you don't want to work for, btw. Nobody is forcing companies to force you to join a union. It's something consenting adults agreed on. You are a fool for thinking Republicans are looking out for you.
Wrong. The employer can choose whether or not to be a closed shop (aka require you join a union as a condition of employment.) Well, they used to be able to. Small-government conservatives have made such contracts illegal.
Nobody is forcing you to work somewhere you don't want to work for, btw. Nobody is forcing companies to force you to join a union. It's something consenting adults agreed on. You are a fool for thinking Republicans are looking out for you.
Ok, well I am a mechanical engineer. I don't know any engineer that is an union.
I don't need anybody looking out for me, Republicans, or anybody else. I'm a full grown man who wants to negotiate my own contract.
Most employers don't want to deal with unions. Hard to believe their rights are denied but I think it is a good law. People should have right to negotiate their own salary and other things with their employer without this 3rd pary interfering. It would be difficult for you to argue we have freedom if we can't even salary our own contract if every employer is unionized. That is basically a form of slavery.
Unions wouldn't want another union telling them what to do. It is the same concept.
You don't understand right to work. Without right to work, you can be forced to join a union if you want a job at the company. You aren't allowed to negotiate your own contract.
No one is required to join a union, even in a state without right-to-work. Many contracts operate under an "agency shop" system, which allows workers to choose between joining the union and paying dues, or declining and paying an agency fee, which is slightly less and covers the direct costs of servicing the shop and administering the contract. Even in "union shops" you can file as an objector now and get your dues reduced to the point they are basically the same as an agency fee.
Even if you were actually required to join the union as a condition of employment, so what? Again, you can be required to join a homeowners association as a condition of buying a house as well. Is that also unjust? You know the deal before you start.
Negotiation independent of a collective bargaining agreement is entirely orthogonal to the issue of right-to-work, since rates of pay are established in union contracts to some degree regardless. Usually it is in the worker's best interest to the rate of pay clearly established under contract, because unless you have pretty unique skills, you're not going to have more leverage against the employer at the table than the union will. The union can set a floor however that the employer cannot pay less than, and allow higher rates of pay - I have worked in such places before. And of course in professional sports the CBA is supplemented by individual contracts universally.
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Originally Posted by Crystal Lance
You don't understand the arguments against unions. Right to work is about protecting worker rights.
Generally speaking, union dues are something like two hours of pay per month - which amounts to around 1.15% of your gross pay. Unions also basically have no power to do anything against an individual. And although union democracy is imperfect, you can vote for your union leadership. In contrast, your boss can discipline you, fire you, demote you, force you to work overtime, cut your rate of pay, eliminate your health insurance, gut your pension, take away holidays, and just generally make your life miserable. Without a union, your only recourse really is to quit - and better jobs might not be in the offering. And 100% of their profits are based upon skimming off the fruit of your labor. Not comparable in any way.
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