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Old 02-17-2015, 02:09 PM
 
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The original website that compiled this is apparently no longer available, but I found it in this forum:

(A MUST READ) The Clinton Administration's Public Case Against Saddam Hussein

It is all well-cited, so I am not relying on the forum itself, it's just the only place I could find the article.
They will claim that Bush forced President Clinton to say those things and was giving instructions to the intel community as well. Bush must have been a VERY POWERFUL governor to do that.
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Old 02-17-2015, 02:11 PM
 
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You forgot to mention that those passenger were all yelling that the bus driver should turn into the ditch claiming there was road over it.
If the passengers were yelling it was because the bus driver was a former alocholic driving them into the ravine.
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Old 02-17-2015, 02:11 PM
 
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You need to review your recent history. Bush administration officials, like Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld would insinuate that Iraq was responsible for 9-11 then back off than reinsinuate it and that happened over and over again.
Specifically, what did they say. Quotes and links please.

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As far as the allegations of Hussein being a thug and violating UN resolutions were all true except those allegations did not justify war....thousands of dead Americans.
The majority of the American public and most of the Democrat leadership felt they justified it.
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Old 02-17-2015, 02:12 PM
 
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They will claim that Bush forced President Clinton to say those things and was giving instructions to the intel community as well. Bush must have been a VERY POWERFUL governor to do that.
And remember, Bush was "dumb" but he was able to outsmart all these really smart people (some of whom had been supporting some sort of intervention for years prior to the attacks of 9/11).
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Old 02-17-2015, 02:12 PM
 
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If the passengers were yelling it was because the bus driver was a former alocholic driving them into the ravine.
Why are you going to ignore the FACT that they were yelling it before the bus driver was even hired as the bus driver?
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Old 02-17-2015, 02:18 PM
 
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All this wrangling over who, exactly, is to blame reinforces the fact that the war was a serious error that nobody wants to "own" anymore. That's quite a shift from the "Mission Accomplished" era when everyone who could was lining up to brag about their support for the war effort.

The lesson, perhaps, is not to be so credulous or gullible when politicians make claims about foreign countries. Often, they're misleading, if not flat-out wrong.
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Old 02-17-2015, 02:23 PM
 
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Specifically, what did they say. Quotes and links please.



The majority of the American public and most of the Democrat leadership felt they justified it.
You know... doing a simple search can probably find you the old Meet the Press footage. Seriously, I am sure you remember all those comments...how could you not if you were informed and following the build up to the war.

The American public was sold a bag of goods they bought into. Who do you blame the victim or the perpetrator?
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Old 02-17-2015, 02:23 PM
 
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All this wrangling over who, exactly, is to blame reinforces the fact that the war was a serious error that nobody wants to "own" anymore.
There seems to be two camps.

The "America made a bad decision based on bad intel" camp.

The "Ignore what was said, the votes that were cast and even what the enemy admitted, we need to place all the blame on the people I don't like" camp.
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Old 02-17-2015, 02:24 PM
 
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Why are you going to ignore the FACT that they were yelling it before the bus driver was even hired as the bus driver?
Why are you so intent of letting the bus driver off the hook? In a court of law, the bus driver is liable for negligence, if not criminally, if his conduct was intentional.
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Old 02-17-2015, 02:28 PM
 
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You know... doing a simple search can probably find you the old Meet the Press footage. Seriously, I am sure you remember all those comments...how could you not if you were informed and following the build up to the war.
You made the assertion, so it's up to you to validate it.

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The American public was sold a bag of goods they bought into. Who do you blame the victim or the perpetrator?
I blame the perpetrator - bad intel.

You seem to ignore the perpetrator and use it as an opportunity to attack your enemy. In a way, you're kind of doing what you accuse Bush of doing.

BTW, what about those passenger yelling there is a road over the ditch before the driver is hired?
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