Are You Anti-Colonialist? (generations, accuse, racism, Giuliani)
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"Some people thought it was racist — I thought that was a joke, since he was brought up by a white mother, a white grandfather, went to white schools, and most of this he learned from white people," Giuliani said. "This isn't racism. This is socialism or possibly anti-colonialism."
Do you agree with Giuliani that Obama is anti-colonialist? Are you anti-colonialist?
Obama is the first president who spent his formative years (70s/80s) ensconced in the multicultural narrative of America. He not only thoroughly embraces it, he embodies it. I, like many of my generation (I was born in 1976), love him for this. The rainbow coalition is a cheap joke to many on the right, but it has become an unbeatable political and cultural force. The majority of Americans agree with Michael Jackson -- it doesn't matter if you're black or white (or Christian or Muslim or Gay or Straight anon anon). Smart Republicans -- Karl Rove of all people being one of them -- understand their party has to appeal to all Americans (not just white ones) or it will perish. Whenever Obama is called HUSSEIN or un-American I chuckle and count votes increasing for the Democrats. A half white, half black man who spent much of his childhood abroad and who understands and is familiar with world literature and world religion is the most American president we've ever had.
America has always been multiracial and multicultural. However, in the past, one culture (white male Christians) enjoyed many special rights and privileges. More and more, they're losing their special status and can no longer lord over the other American elements. That makes many conservatives angry, sad or both. I'm a white male Christian, but I have no special sense of entitlement, so I think it's high time America truly lived up to its founding ideas of equality for all. So yeah, I guess that makes me an anti-colonialist.
Obama is the first president who spent his formative years (70s/80s) ensconced in the multicultural narrative of America. He not only thoroughly embraces it, he embodies it. I, like many of my generation (I was born in 1976), love him for this. The rainbow coalition is a cheap joke to many on the right, but it has become an unbeatable political and cultural force. The majority of Americans agree with Michael Jackson -- it doesn't matter if you're black or white (or Christian or Muslim or Gay or Straight anon anon). Smart Republicans -- Karl Rove of all people being one of them -- understand their party has to appeal to all Americans (not just white ones) or it will perish. Whenever Obama is called HUSSEIN or un-American I chuckle and count votes increasing for the Democrats. A half white, half black man who spent much of his childhood abroad and who understands and is familiar with world literature and world religion is the most American president we've ever had.
America has always been multiracial and multicultural. However, in the past, one culture (white male Christians) enjoyed many special rights and privileges. More and more, they're losing their special status and can no longer lord over the other American elements. That makes many conservatives angry, sad or both. I'm a white male Christian, but I have no special sense of entitlement, so I think it's high time America truly lived up to its founding ideas of equality for all. So yeah, I guess that makes me an anti-colonialist.
You have a very false sense of who Obama is. He is the great divider. He stirs the pot of racism and called his grandmother a racist and added she was a typical white person. Obama believes everyone white and Republican is a racist and so do you.
"Some people thought it was racist — I thought that was a joke, since he was brought up by a white mother, a white grandfather, went to white schools, and most of this he learned from white people," Giuliani said. "This isn't racism. This is socialism or possibly anti-colonialism."
Do you agree with Giuliani that Obama is anti-colonialist? Are you anti-colonialist?
I'm uncertain what Mr. Giuliani meant by anti-colonialist? I took a look at this article to get the gist or context:
I think it's a riff on an old meme - basically President Obama is down deep 'different' from Mr. Giuliani & other folks who are more similar, deep down, to Mr. Giuliani. In other words, President Obama is Mr. Giuliani's polar 'opposite.' From the article:
Quote:
Mr. Giuliani said his remarks on Wednesday night were in response to a question about what kind of president he would like to see elected in 2016. He responded, he said, by telling the audience that he wanted a leader who was Mr. Obama’s opposite.
I think Mr. Giuliani then had to defend his remarks as NOT being racist, in essence, but more about him just being 'different' in thoughtviews & for that reason, generally untrustworthy.
Let's face, in the current environment, folks are often demonized for even bringing up the subject of race. Apparently it's worse to accuse someone of being a racist than it is to actually BE a racist. Racism, American style has become our own 'sacred cow' of sorts.
I'm confused by Mr. Giuliani's use of the word 'anti-colonialist' to describe President Obama, or anyone else for that matter - it's a new one. I'm not sure what it means to couple 'socialism' & 'anti-colonialism'? This again is confusing.
I'm sorry for not really answering your questions. The topic piqued my interest though. What do you think?
One thing that occurred to me while reading the NYT article is that the use of patriotism - or love of one's Country is often the usual fallback in a failed war.
You have a very false sense of who Obama is. He is the great divider. He stirs the pot of racism and called his grandmother a racist and added she was a typical white person. Obama believes everyone white and Republican is a racist and so do you.
There's definitely a huge disconnect between how you and I perceive him. I don't see him as a divider -- I think he is divisive not due to his own actions but because many hate what he represents... that unbeatable multicultural force I was referring to. I don't think that everyone white and Republican are racist. Why you would think I do is beyond me. Did you fail to read my sentence about smart Republicans -- among whom I even counted Karl Rove?
Ii think the relationship between racism and Republicanism can be summed up neatly in one sentence: most Republicans are not racists, but most racists are Republican.
Ii think the relationship between racism and Republicanism can be summed up neatly in one sentence: most Republicans are not racists, but most racists are Republican.
I don't think that's true at all. Maybe for white people. But considering the majority of Asians blacks and Hispanics vote Democrat your example doesn't hold water. I see no evidence that Asian or black racists are any more likely to vote Republican than dem.
And don't tell me non-whites can't be racist. The stuff I've heard from first generation chinese about blacks is mind boggling.
I don't think that's true at all. Maybe for white people. But considering the majority of Asians blacks and Hispanics vote Democrat your example doesn't hold water. I see no evidence that Asian or black racists are any more likely to vote Republican than dem.
And don't tell me minorities can't be racist.
You make a good point. I should add the qualifier "white" to make my sentence more accurate: Most white Republicans are not racist, but most white racists are Republicans.
A couple of generations ago Mr. Giuliani's ethnicity would have prevented him from ever being Mayor of New York or the elites that operate the City. Italians were not allowed to be in that club. Before that the Irish were excluded.
Each generation or ethnicity that overcomes the barriers to prominence and success work very hard to keep their newly gained status exclusive. No better example is the Republican's blind opposition to President Obama because he and his kind can NEVER be allowed to pollute the waters owned by rich white men even if they are Italian.
This is a very playground view of the world. It does nothing but harm our country that is based on the best and brightest and not on excluding those that do not look or sound like me and my gang.
Then leave america why should we have to lose our culture and status because some people do not value it?
Huh? I don't understand what this even means. I value American culture highly. I see Obama as an embodiment of it.
Last edited by WestCobb; 02-22-2015 at 02:55 AM..
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