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The current definition of marriage comes from the government, based on societal norms. NOT religion. Seeking to redefine marriage for special treatment (meaning you want marriage to include a relationship based on your (and a small minority of people's) relationship is not seeking equality under the law, it is seeking deference to a group based solely on "who they luv" and not because a gay individual has been denied the ability to marry like any other American citizen. It is about the relationship and not the individual.
Your opinion is not shared by everyone. The opposition to same sex marriage is religion based.
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Makes sense that it would be a UCC church, the same denomination of that great orator and Obama mentor, Rev. G.D. Wright.
Perhaps you might want to read about the history of the UCC.
There is no "separation of church and state" in the in the Constitution, so how can there be a violation? Is that near the "Good and Welfare clause"?
I think you will find that the concept is well defined and accepted as referring to the First Amendment. Your wish that it did not exist will not make it go away.
I think you will find that the concept is well defined and accepted as referring to the First Amendment. Your wish that it did not exist will not make it go away.
There are atheists and gays that oppose redefining marriage. How does that fit into your preconceived ideology?
The "concept" may be "defined and accepted" but that doesn't make it constitutional. Try reading the 1st Amendment and show me where "separation of church and state" is stated or defined.
Where did you get Unitarian? Because I transposed the letters?
No, Trinity United Church of Christ is not related to the United Trinity Church of Christ, but it is affiliated with the Trinity of Christ United Church, in fact one of the founding members is the brother to the guy who heads up the United Trinity Church of Christ and the Unitarian Trinity Church of Christ, but it is surprising that these groups are not related, but I can certainly understand the confusion.
""We are thrilled by this clear victory for both religious freedom and marriage equality in the state of North Carolina,' said the Rev. J. Bennett Guess, a UCC [United Church of Christ] national officer. "In lifting North Carolina's ban on same-gender marriage, the court's directive makes it plain that the First Amendment arguments, made by the UCC and our fellow plaintiffs, were both persuasive and spot-on. Any law that threatens clergy who choose to solemnize a union of same-sex couples, and threatens them with civil or criminal penalties, is unconstitutional."
The suit, filed in April by the UCC and a coalition of clergy, same-sex couples and religious denominations, claiming that the state's marriage laws violate the First Amendment rights of clergy and the principle of "free exercise of religion."
There are two aspects of that case. The part dealing with the 1st Amendment dealt with the law forbidding UCC clergy from performing ssm.
The part invalidating the ban itself wasn't because it violated the 1st Amendment.
You seem to want the ban and opposition to ssm to be religion-based.
There are atheists and gays that oppose redefining marriage. How does that fit into your preconceived ideology?
The "concept" may be "defined and accepted" but that doesn't make it constitutional. Try reading the 1st Amendment and show me where "separation of church and state" is stated or defined.
"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties."
~ Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Danbury Baptists
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Originally Posted by loriinwa
Trinity United Church of Christ is the largest church affiliated with the United Church of Christ.
Where did you get Unitarian? Because I transposed the letters?
I was not the one who said it was Unitarian. I corrected the poster who did, who has now acknowledged the error.
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Originally Posted by jazzarama
There are two aspects of that case. The part dealing with the 1st Amendment dealt with the law forbidding UCC clergy from performing ssm.
The part invalidating the ban itself wasn't because it violated the 1st Amendment.
You seem to want the ban and opposition to ssm to be religion-based.
The North Carolina ban was overturned based on due process and equal opportunity under the Fourteenth Amendment, however the plaintiffs brought action under the First Amendment, too.
The opposition to same sex marriage is religion based.
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