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The first Amendment states "Congress shallmake no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
It seems very clear that the Protection of religious freedom is superior to any laws that prohibit the free exercise thereof.
Sure. The florist has the right to pray to her God that the couple's gayness doesn't rub off on her after she makes their flowers, because it is illegal to discriminate against gays.
So you approve of refusing gay people services unless they specifically order exactly what the baker/florist already makes for others? In your world, gay people are not allowed to ask for services reflecting of their relationship or ceremony, because if it has not been done exactly like that, they can be refused service?
If it is not something that the business does not offer then yes. No business is required to offer every product know to man. I can not go into a burger joint and then sue because they don't serve country fried steak. Both are beef, just prepared differently.
I can not go into a music shop and sue because they do not offer classical jazz.
Sure. The florist has the right to pray to her God that the couple's gayness doesn't rub off on her after she makes their flowers, because it is illegal to discriminate against gays.
Another ridiculous fallacy to detract from the facts of the case. She did not discriminate against gays.
So, now you want to discuss the actual facts of a case, since you caught yourself up in an argument you can't get out of. One that allows refusing service to gay people.
Your argument for the florist has always been. The florist sells wedding flowers. Must sell to gays. Now you say a baker that bakes cakes CAN refuse service because of the design.
Well, you can look at their portfolio, or catalog, or on their web site. or just ask them.
If the florist does not offer sunflowers she does not have to sell them to anyone. IF the baker does not offer octagonal cakes, they do not have to sell them to anyone. If the burger joint does not sell grilled cheese they do not have to sell it to anyone. If the ice cream shop does not offer cherry ice cream, they do not have to sell it to anyone.
If it is not something that the business does not offer then yes. No business is required to offer every product know to man. I can not go into a burger joint and then sue because they don't serve country fried steak. Both are beef, just prepared differently.
I can not go into a music shop and sue because they do not offer classical jazz.
Now you move to burger joints. Either a business can refuse service or they can't. You keep putting your own individual metrics on it and when called on the failure of you argument, you start another rabbit trail.
The baker sells wedding cakes. If the gay customer is ordering a giant rainbow penis Wedding cake from the baker can service be refused? A cake is a cake. The wedding cake and the penis cake use the same ingredients, why would you refuse service to the gay customer based on the Wedding cake design?
Well, you can look at their portfolio, or catalog, or on their web site. or just ask them.
If the florist does not offer sunflowers she does not have to sell them to anyone. IF the baker does not offer octagonal cakes, they do not have to sell them to anyone. If the burger joint does not sell grilled cheese they do not have to sell it to anyone. If the ice cream shop does not offer cherry ice cream, they do not have to sell it to anyone.
This is not a difficult concept.
So your issue is not refusing service to gays, it's Christians refusing service to gays. THANK YOU for finally being honest about your position!
Now you move to burger joints. Either a business can refuse service or they can't. You keep putting your own individual metrics on it and when called on the failure of you argument, you start another rabbit trail.
The baker sells wedding cakes. If the gay customer is ordering a giant rainbow penis Wedding cake from the baker can service be refused? A cake is a cake. The wedding cake and the penis cake use the same ingredients, why would you refuse service to the gay customer based on the Wedding cake design?
I'll try to make this simple to understand for those who are having issues.
If a business OFFERS a product or service in their business, then they can not discriminate based on the sex, race, religion, age (except for age restricted items) or sexual orientation (in some states) of the person purchasing the product or service.
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