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These asstards will pay for their racist stupidity ....
Will the " burn this ***** down" or " kill the piggies" crowd... and there are some of those it appears to me on this forum...
Will they pay equally? ....and be shunned too?
Nope... they will get the race or emotion of the minute pass
All of this crap is the milk of a society that is losing its controls on what is right and wrong... and respecting some level of normal behavior in the bell shaped curve
This is what you get when people don't respect themselves... and did not have good role models.
Our politicians could be the first line of defense ...they have failed miserably and made it exponentially worse...
Are these tards any different than the politicians holding their hands up saying don't shoot ... a fallacy.. or the da's who appeared in the video calling for policemen to be killed
No different ... more idiots
Makes a wonderful three day news cycle before we get back to what Beyonce wore yesterday... and who Bobby Brown is smacking around this week...
I was heartened by the football team walking arm in arm... and the black student union president calling for forgiveness... I'm OK with that... to an extent ... I was also happy to see an unequivicable response by the college
Get out before midnight....
Last edited by notmeofficer; 03-10-2015 at 08:23 AM..
Yes, they can. Every college has a code of conduct. Students can be expelled for all kinds of things that are not necessarily against the law.
Nope. All colleges and universities have explicit disciplinary procedures, including provisions for students to have opportunities to defend their actions. I would think that all the experts in constitutional law who are so zealously protecting "free speech" would realize that due process takes time.
True, a school can have rules, but those rules can't violate the constitution in a public school. The constitution applies to public universities as much as it does to any other government entity. A school can impose its own rules that are not necessarily illegal, as long as the rules are constitutional.
Here, for example, is a portion from the Rutgers University Student Code of Conduct:
"As members of the University community, students are expected to uphold our stated values by maintaining a high standard of conduct. Because the University establishes high standards for membership, its standards of conduct may exceed federal, state, or local requirements.
Students are expected to take responsibility for their conduct. Disciplinary consequences therefore serve both educational and deterrence objectives."
The University, through authority given to it by its Board of Governors, is responsible for communicating behavioral expectations to students and the consequences for violating standards."
According to the Rutgers code of conduct (section 16), recording an event without permission can get you expelled. Didn't see anything about making ignorant, scummy comments amongst each other.
Even if one accepted that the students' song constituted a "threat" (while hateful and racist, its difficult to argue with a straight face that the students were threatening anyone), the threat wouldn't be specific enough to fall outside of First Amendment protection. Also, mere advocacy of illegal activity, no matter of repugnant, is still protected by the First Amendment. It's when people take their speech beyond mere advocacy that there is a problem.
They still have the right to say or sing whatever they want. They have not been deprived of that. The constitutional right to free speech concerns the government's treatment of speech. So, they were not arrested and will not be imprisoned and executed for what they expressed. However, that does not mean they will not face consequences for what they chose to say. They can continue to say it without fear of arrest, but the constitution does not protect them from experiencing other, nongovernmental, consequences.
The First Amendment protects individuals exercising protected speech from adverse government action. Government action extends broader than an arrest. Any fallout the students face must be private or social in nature; the University isn't free to take official adverse action against the students for protected, albeit hateful, speech.
You are correct of course - the OU Newspaper has an article up that agrees with you.
The University did what it could do legally right away - the kicked the Fraternity off of campus. I think the kids involved will leave OU voluntarily - the video clearly marks them and even if they wanted to stay after this - it would be unsafe for them to do so. They are already getting death threats, wanted posters could soon go up. Leaving is just about their only option.
It's really the Fraternity that needs to take the hit on this - it's one of their songs, they taught it and they own it. The drunk college kiddos will pay the price for going along with the idiocy and Race relations at OU and in Norman, OK will take another step backwards. Very bad deal all around.
They still have the right to say or sing whatever they want. They have not been deprived of that. The constitutional right to free speech concerns the government's treatment of speech. So, they were not arrested and will not be imprisoned and executed for what they expressed. However, that does not mean they will not face consequences for what they chose to say. They can continue to say it without fear of arrest, but the constitution does not protect them from experiencing other, nongovernmental, consequences.
Being expelled from a government school is a government consequence. I'm fine with SEA revoking their chapter and with the other consequences.
The logic and reasoning of many of the posters is beyond bizarre.
That's because they're emoting, not using critical thinking skills. Many c-d forum members emote rather than think. You see it here on POC all the time.
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Again, I don't think anyone in this thread is defending the hateful, racist song by the SAE chapter members. But that doesn't mean that the song is not protected speech under the First Amendment.
They still have the right to say or sing whatever they want. They have not been deprived of that. The constitutional right to free speech concerns the government's treatment of speech. So, they were not arrested and will not be imprisoned and executed for what they expressed. However, that does not mean they will not face consequences for what they chose to say. They can continue to say it without fear of arrest, but the constitution does not protect them from experiencing other, nongovernmental, consequences.
why is this so hard for people to comprehend?
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You see it here on POC all the time. 
