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Old 03-17-2015, 06:00 PM
 
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The flip side of this is betting against the FED's printing press is a loosing proposition.
Never fight the tape.

And hopefully no one sat out shouting "It's just QE! QE!" as we've seen record profits and all kinds of money coming in from the sidelines.
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Old 03-17-2015, 06:47 PM
 
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Never fight the tape.

And hopefully no one sat out shouting "It's just QE! QE!" as we've seen record profits and all kinds of money coming in from the sidelines.
Ride the bubble up, Ride the bubble down. But to know a bubble for being a bubble is the trick.

But what is the bubble and what isn't? That is the real trick. Each time it is just different enough from last time that it isn't a bubble this time because...

QE G-20

That will kick the can down the road a bit.
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Old 03-18-2015, 10:16 AM
 
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Ride the bubble up, Ride the bubble down. But to know a bubble for being a bubble is the trick.

But what is the bubble and what isn't? That is the real trick. Each time it is just different enough from last time that it isn't a bubble this time because...

QE G-20

That will kick the can down the road a bit.
But kick it down the road for whom?

P/E's are high enough that many funds are looking outside the US for opportunities. So - if those funds slack price action in US equities, international QE would bring downside sooner here -- as suggested by the QE as trading rocket-fuel theory.

Suggesting QE is the only driver (minus earnings, volume and thus price action) requires a pretty myopic approach to markets.
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Old 03-18-2015, 10:24 AM
 
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But kick it down the road for whom?

P/E's are high enough that many funds are looking outside the US for opportunities. So - if those funds slack price action in US equities, international QE would bring downside sooner here -- as suggested by the QE as trading rocket-fuel theory.

Suggesting QE is the only driver (minus earnings, volume and thus price action) requires a pretty myopic approach to markets.

Global debt bubble. Global QE pushes it higher. Global wage driven inflation resets global debt bubble with the least amount of collateral damage.

You have over production in all commodities. Wages are too low. Wages need to come up to balance supply and demand. Too much production not enough consumption. QE is a band aid. Or more heroin for an addict.
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Old 03-18-2015, 10:40 AM
 
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Global debt bubble. Global QE pushes it higher. Global wage driven inflation resets global debt bubble with the least amount of collateral damage.

You have over production in all commodities. Wages are too low. Wages need to come up to balance supply and demand. Too much production not enough consumption. QE is a band aid. Or more heroin for an addict.
And again - you mention many variables that aren't QE.

Thanks for confirming it's not the ONLY factor as suggested throughout.
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Old 03-18-2015, 10:46 AM
 
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And again - you mention many variables that aren't QE.

Thanks for confirming it's not the ONLY factor as suggested throughout.
Largely QE is driving the stock bubble. That is an over simplification but it is.

Debt to income ratio for the whole economy world wide is a big problem. Largely higher wages without the creation of more debt fixes the current mess. And that needs to be globally applied.

QE makes it worse in the long run without significant wage inflation.
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Old 03-18-2015, 01:13 PM
 
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Largely QE is driving the stock bubble. That is an over simplification but it is.

Debt to income ratio for the whole economy world wide is a big problem. Largely higher wages without the creation of more debt fixes the current mess. And that needs to be globally applied.

QE makes it worse in the long run without significant wage inflation.
Too many factors. Look at today's tape. Markets rallying on weak data and rates rising. Not exactly a QE event.

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So in our view, investors should look more closely at fundamentals and valuations for guidance in the year to come.
Trying to predict the impact of QE – or lack of QE – on stock prices may be a distraction from what is really driving stock performance.
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Old 03-18-2015, 01:38 PM
 
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Too many factors. Look at today's tape. Markets rallying on weak data and rates rising. Not exactly a QE event.
QE in the US generated something like $4 trillion in new debt creation. Not tightly coupled but without QE you don't have the bubble.
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Old 03-18-2015, 01:47 PM
 
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QE in the US generated something like $4 trillion in new debt creation. Not tightly coupled but without QE you don't have the bubble.
Yes.

But that assumes
1. Bubble
2. QE created that bubble

Again - a very limited and myopic financial worldview.

Good luck with that.
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Old 03-18-2015, 01:49 PM
 
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Yes.

But that assumes
1. Bubble
2. QE created that bubble

Again - a very limited and myopic financial worldview.

Good luck with that.
It assumes that $4 trillion in new debt pumped things up unsustainably and that we will have a correction.
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