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Obama didn't start the civil war in Syria and you're a clueless moron if you believe that. There's no way that Obama could somehow organize mass protests among Syrian citizens and the Assad regime's violent response that sparked a mass uprising.
You are right in that Obama did not START the civil war. But he and his administration didn't help when he authorized our military to supply weapons to the "rebels" who, for the most part, are now ISIS.
Then again, you might think about how these countries and ISIS got to where they are today. It goes back to the first Arab Spring uprising in Egypt which was the creation of our government, with the purpose to overthrow Mubarak and install a Muslim Brotherhood regime. You do realize that when the US government overthrows the leader of any country, they replace said leader/president/dictator with a puppet of their own choosing??
What I don't understand is how the world can sit back and watch thousands of people who are not Muslims, or come from a different sect of Islam, be slaughtered because of their religion and watch millions of people flee their country for fear of being killed because of their religion. Is it because the deaths don't reach the same level as the Holocaust??
They've might have assisted the rebels later on in Syria, but the claim seems that the Arab Spring protests were solely orchestrated by US and not at all the result of longstanding anger against the dictatorial regimes and a huge youth population in countries with weak economies.
On one hand the right-wing meme is that Obama is clueless and incompetent and then on the other hand he's a Machiavellian geniuses capable of organizing mass protests among Arab youths in multiple countries at the drop of the hat. Which is it?
Did you ever hear of the domino effect? Egypt was the first Arab Spring, and YES, Obama and his administration did orchestrate it. It didn't happen "at the drop of a hat", it took time and planning. Overthrowing Mubarak was to put Morsi in power. Once in power Morsi gave Obama the finger on the very day he was sworn in, demanding that the Blind Sheikh be released from prison and returned to Egypt.
Clearly things didn't work out as Obama planned and it took another direction. I guess Obama thought it would just fall into place and didn't think about the possibilities if it went wrong, which it did.
We should get our people out of all the middle east rat-holes. Leave them to killl and torture one another as they have for the past 10,000 years over petty tribalism.
Not our problem.
I'm sure there are a lot of things I do not agree with Old Gringo, but this is a comment I find myself in full agreement.
Did you ever hear of the domino effect? Egypt was the first Arab Spring, and YES, Obama and his administration did orchestrate it. It didn't happen "at the drop of a hat", it took time and planning. Overthrowing Mubarak was to put Morsi in power. Once in power Morsi gave Obama the finger on the very day he was sworn in, demanding that the Blind Sheikh be released from prison and returned to Egypt.
Clearly things didn't work out as Obama planned and it took another direction. I guess Obama thought it would just fall into place and didn't think about the possibilities if it went wrong, which it did.
Obama always thought everyone would like him for cool factor, he's learning only American idiots are that stupid.
You are right in that Obama did not START the civil war. But he and his administration didn't help when he authorized our military to supply weapons to the "rebels" who, for the most part, are now ISIS.
Then again, you might think about how these countries and ISIS got to where they are today. It goes back to the first Arab Spring uprising in Egypt which was the creation of our government, with the purpose to overthrow Mubarak and install a Muslim Brotherhood regime. You do realize that when the US government overthrows the leader of any country, they replace said leader/president/dictator with a puppet of their own choosing??
What I don't understand is how the world can sit back and watch thousands of people who are not Muslims, or come from a different sect of Islam, be slaughtered because of their religion and watch millions of people flee their country for fear of being killed because of their religion. Is it because the deaths don't reach the same level as the Holocaust??
It's pretty easy. I've never slept better.
Try it sometime. Not giving a damn is a lot less stressful.
We should get our people out of all the middle east rat-holes. Leave them to killl and torture one another as they have for the past 10,000 years over petty tribalism.
Not our problem.
You are 100% right..it's not our problem but decades ago we made it our problem.
The US has a long sordid history of interfering in countries.
And none of the stories had a happy ending.
Every country we've interfered with is worse off today than before we stuck our noses in it.
Did you ever hear of the domino effect? Egypt was the first Arab Spring, and YES, Obama and his administration did orchestrate it. It didn't happen "at the drop of a hat", it took time and planning. Overthrowing Mubarak was to put Morsi in power. Once in power Morsi gave Obama the finger on the very day he was sworn in, demanding that the Blind Sheikh be released from prison and returned to Egypt.
Clearly things didn't work out as Obama planned and it took another direction. I guess Obama thought it would just fall into place and didn't think about the possibilities if it went wrong, which it did.
The first successful Arab Spring protests were actually in Tunisia, Egypt followed after that.
So according to your theory, Obama planned and orchestrated the entire protest movement in Egypt(because of course half-a-million Egyptian youths weren't unhappy with Mubarak already, it would take US agents to get them out of bed for a protest)--and the end goal was for Morsi to gain power in a election. But then many of the same protesters who were protesting Mubarak(only because of a western plan) then protested against Morsi two years later, before the military stepped in with a coup d'etat, which foiled Obama's plans. Is that the gist of the theory?
If the Obama Administration really wanted to overthrow Mubarak they could have just made a deal with the Egyptian military--that's who really calls the shots in Egypt--that's who took power when Mubarak resigned and who removed Morsi eventually. Why waste time trying to get millions to protest in the streets and then hold an election?
The Arab Spring was inevitable, any place you have long standing dictatorships and large growing populations with weak economic futures, you're going to have the risk of people uprising. The Obama Administration basically latched on to the uprisings when they looked like they'd win. Afterwards the State Department wanted to keep this idea that they were supporting democracy in the region, though that left them with having to hold back on supporting Sissi when he took power through a coup. It's more cynical and reactionary in reality though it seems like they didn't really know what they were getting into when they figured Mubarak was done for and democracy might follow or when they supported the Libyan rebels, without figuring what would replace Qaddafi.
Part of the conspiracy theories related to it seem to a kind of American bigotry that of course Arabs are too stupid too rise up themselves, it had to be orchestrated by some Western power. Even if there was Western governments backing the movements, it was still the populace that was angry enough after years of dictatorships that rose up themselves.
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