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Old 04-12-2015, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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But males are 50% of the reason why unborn babies are unwanted. If they knew there was no birth control, they could have declined when the woman spread her legs.
True, but irrelevant.

Personally, I've had more than one woman lie to me about being on some form of birth control, I just got lucky that no pregnancy ever resulted.

Biologically speaking, once a man has done his part in creating a life, it's sort of like co-signing for a loan. Until the process runs it's course, he's out of the picture until the need for financial support.

Now, if you want to talk about how deadbeat dad's are contributing to a whole host of problems in society, you'll get no argument from me.
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Old 04-12-2015, 08:44 AM
 
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Tell me why I am supposed to be so dearly concerned about any pregnant woman and her unborn baby, who I don't even know?
Who's asking you to be concerned about it unless it's yours?

But the fact the your so passionately pro-abortion means that you obviously care dearly about some woman you don't know being able to kill her unborn baby at will.
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Old 04-12-2015, 08:53 AM
 
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Really??? "Potential life?" You mean a woman is carrying around a dead baby?

I learned about human reproduction in 7th grade biology. Our biology books never referred to the human fetus as "potential life." That is just plain absurd.

Who teaches you people this garbage?
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If life means alive, you`ll need to rework that "potential life" talking point since a fetus is most certainly alive.
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I think he or she means the fetus is a potential life in the same way that the egg and the sperm are a potential life.

Apparently in pro-abortion land, an egg and sperm not yet united are indistinguishable from a developing fetus.

Of course that doesn`t explain where the developing fetus`s DNA came from or why neither the sperm nor the egg has the fetus`s future DNA.

Maybe a magic fairy makes the DNA for the fetus and just happens to implant this DNA at the exact moment of conception making it appear that conception determines when a life begins.
perhaps you two should look at the courts decision they describe pregnancy as potential life

The Court asserted that the government had two competing interests – protecting the mother's health and protecting the "potentiality of human life".

When women are compelled to carry and bear children, they are subjected to 'involuntary servitude' in violation of the Thirteenth Amendment….[E]ven if the woman has stipulated to have consented to the risk of pregnancy, that does not permit the state to force her to remain pregnant.
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Old 04-12-2015, 08:55 AM
 
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Who's asking you to be concerned about it unless it's yours?

But the fact the your so passionately pro-abortion means that you obviously care dearly about some woman you don't know being able to kill her unborn baby at will.
it's called choice of which there is 3. supporting abortion does not mean you don't support the other choices. it is up to the individual woman to make the choice.

in america do you support women being forced to carry a pregnancy to term against her will just because she had sex consensually?
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Old 04-12-2015, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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This is not a rational discussion, at least not on your part. You are totally irrational.



I'm "finally learning?" Like I didn't know that?

Suppose you tell me what that means from your irrational point of view.



My religion is not a fairy tale.

So, if you didn't get that ridiculous notion from Catholicism, where did you get it from?

By the way, Jeremiah was quoting what God had told him: "The word of the LORD came to me, saying, "Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you."
Tell me why I should live my life according to your religion.

Believe whatever you want, but don't try to force those beliefs on me.

I am certainly not going to live my life by a storybook written by primitive, superstitious men who lived thousands of years ago.

The beauty of Roe v Wade? It is based on CHOICE, no one is forced to act against their beliefs.
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Old 04-12-2015, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Tell me why I should live my life according to your religion.

Believe whatever you want, but don't try to force those beliefs on me.

I am certainly not going to live my life by a storybook written by primitive, superstitious men who lived thousands of years ago.

The beauty of Roe v Wade? It is based on CHOICE, no one is forced to act against their beliefs.
What choice does the pre-baby have?
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Old 04-12-2015, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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So you want abortion banned, so they will have to be done in secret and no longer have any good idea how many abortions take place every year?
Yes, they do, and I think they also welcome the fact that women having illegal, unsafe abortions could be maimed or even die fits in nicely with their punishment meme.
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Old 04-12-2015, 09:07 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I just heard on the radio that the darling of the US Senate and possible future candidate for the Presidency, Elizabeth Warren came out and she is against the death penalty for the Boston Marathon bomber terrorist. He was found guilty on all 30 plus counts and now awaits sentencing which will be either the death penalty of life in prison.

Warren still holds onto the belief that this poor kid was influenced by his older brother to place bombs at the feet of innocent people and he should not be put to death. Instead he should be locked in jail for the rest of his days and forgotten about.

Warren represents the Democratic party in Massachusetts and she is firmly against the Death Penalty while being all for Abortion?

How can a person be so Against an innocent life being brought into this world and issue a death sentence for that baby yet cannot be For the death penalty of a known terrorist bomber who killed 4 people and maimed scores more?

Is it hypocrisy or something else?
It's a bit like Republicans obsessing about saving a life by banning abortions while at the same time salivating at the prospect of nuking the Middle East to kill those pesky Muslims.

I don't think a man can tell a woman what to do with her body. The DP sometimes doesn't apply when it appears it should. Both decisions are flexible depending on the circumstances.
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Old 04-12-2015, 09:09 AM
 
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What choice does the pre-baby have?
is pre baby a medical term? fair or not, which is subjective, a fetus doesn't get a choice. it does not have a brain to think, it doesn't take care of itself. it relies on a womb to grow to the point of viability. if the woman doesn't want to be pregnant she doesn't have to stay pregnant.
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Old 04-12-2015, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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What choice does the pre-baby have?
A fetus is not capable of choice.

And, if they were able to choose, how do you know, given all the facts of what its life would be like, it wouldn't choose to be aborted? After all, thousands of people choose death over life every year.
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