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So why do the vast majority of employers pay above minimum wage? By your "reasoning" the only reason they even pay the current minimum is because government forces them to pay it. Why would any business currently paying above minimum wage lower their wages just because the minimum dropped out? Reducing minimum wage doesn't make someone who can weld, or operate heavy equipment or program any less valuable.
by having a zero minimum wage it would force the labor to seek the best deal, soso paying dollar more, i go over there.
by having minimum wage, it give the employer the excuse, will pay what the government says. so by elimnation government it be a true capitalism system, beside there are some that not worth minimum wage
If there was no minimum wage, the majority of employers would lower their salary expenses to increase their profits, while taxpayers picked up the tab for the increased amount of social welfare programs an employee making $5 an hour would require.
Personally, I would rather pay an extra nickel for a hamburger than see a company like McDonald's increase their profits by billions of dollars, while sending this country into further dept.
Honestly, I would like to see massive fast food chains like Burger King or Taco Bell forced to pay their employees $15 an hour, while smaller local business only pay the existing minimum wage while having the rest of their employees wages subsidized. This would allow restaurants that actually serve REAL food to compete with the giants, while combating this countries growing health epidemic that's partly caused by the poison that is produced by these mega corporations.
Do you understand that 80% of McDonald's (for example) restaurants are franchises and not corporate owned ... right?
Honestly, I would like to see massive fast food chains like Burger King or Taco Bell forced to pay their employees $15 an hour, while smaller local business only pay the existing minimum wage while having the rest of their employees wages subsidized. This would allow restaurants that actually serve REAL food to compete with the giants, while combating this countries growing health epidemic that's partly caused by the poison that is produced by these mega corporations.
A large percentage of internationally branded restaurants are locally owned and operated.
Further, a lot of the food that is served by chain restaurants is grown or produced in the local areas.
If the government forced restaurants to double their wages, there would definitely be a lot few restaurants out there, people would find it more economical just to bring a braunschweiger sandwich or some hard boiled eggs from home instead of stopping at a Subway. Do you think that would necessarily raise the general health of the country?
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If people cannot afford to give to charities, how can they afford to pay taxes to support others?
BTW, without government intervention, recessions would be quite short.
Giving to charities is voluntary, if one can't afford to, or doesn't want to, they don't have to. Taxes, on the other hand, for those that work, are withheld from the pay, there is no choice, whether they can afford to pay them or not.
And what do you think that rent would do right about the same time as the minimum wage went up? What do you think basic food prices would do? In fact, what do you think just about all prices would do? And as soon as they did, you'd be moaning about needing higher wages again. It does no good, period. All it does is raise the price of everything and actually reduce spending power. The minimum wage should go down, not up.
Besides, the far left (aka government + members of their soporific collective) wants the higher minimum wage for... what again??? Well, it has nothing to do with people being able to achieve a higher standard of living. It has everything to do with the fact that a given Revenue Generation Device (that would be anyone who works for pay) will provide more revenue to the government if it is making $15 per hour rather than $7 per hour. Follow the money and government and you'll see the true motivation.
The trick is live on next to nothing (work just enough to support yourself, thus keeping yourself in a lower tax bracket). Then you can give the finger to the IRS each April AND you are not supporting those who could earn their keep, but refuse to work, letting everyone else pay their way. And you are not paying for a myriad of other things the government blows YOUR money on, but should have nothing to do with in the first place.
Who says you have any "right" to make more than 35k a year if the economy won't support more than that in the field you've chosen?
You only have the right to keep trying.
I never said that what I did was the smartest thing I could have done, and in hindsight if I had it to do over again there's definitely some things I would do differently. But that doesn't mean that the way I did it isn't possible anymore. My 22 yr old nephew is now doing the same thing I did, and he's damn good at it too.
All the choices I made and the resulting consequences are nobody's fault but mine....but so are all the achievements.
Ah the old "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" line. The problem is you keep having to pull yourself up by your bootstraps every time you bottom out, eventually you'll pull them so far they break from over use.
I don't exactly agree with your choices are your fault and achievements too, it maybe say 80/20, 80% is you and you alone, 20% outside factors (luck such as timing, connections, etc.) The 20% is sometimes more important than the 80% you control through marketable skills.
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Hint: Improve your skills beyond the hourly wage set. Learn a trade. A real one. If you chose the academic route, don't study art history or philosophy. Research a range of fields which interest you. Find one in which you could be happy and earn a good wage. Develop skills which are in demand, and will remain so, and you'll never have to look for the "Now Hiring" signs.
Where there's a will, there's a way.
The problem lies not everyone's interest and strong suits are what earn a good wage. For instance we always hear go into STEM, go into trades. Good ideas on paper, but not when someone doesn't have the ability, or the interest it can be a problem. For instance an engineering student needs calculus and if you are bad at algebra, you can likely forget about it.
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Originally Posted by Roadking2003
If people cannot afford to give to charities, how can they afford to pay taxes to support others?
Apples and oranges as covered by Hemlock.
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Giving to charities is voluntary, if one can't afford to, or doesn't want to, they don't have to. Taxes, on the other hand, for those that work, are withheld from the pay, there is no choice, whether they can afford to pay them or not.
Taxes are also pre-accounted for each year and as of right (based on the tax system with deductions) now can be deducted from in various ways to give you a return and send you back money and is mandatory (even if they virtually pay no taxes.) Compare that to charity which depends if you have money left over from needs and other misc expenses through out the year. I could have money left over after needs and misc. expenses but I am not forced to give it to charity and instead could just save it or spend on wants.
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Originally Posted by Roadking2003
BTW, without government intervention, recessions would be quite short.
Unless you have proof, that's heresay and would depend on how bad the recession or depression truly is.
So why do the vast majority of employers pay above minimum wage? By your "reasoning" the only reason they even pay the current minimum is because government forces them to pay it. Why would any business currently paying above minimum wage lower their wages just because the minimum dropped out? Reducing minimum wage doesn't make someone who can weld, or operate heavy equipment or program any less valuable.
Really? Come on guys................this is ridiculous
Obviously we're talking about minimum wage jobs and not skilled positions that dictate their own wages.
And yes, the only reason an employer pays someone collecting ticket stubs at the movie theater or someone working the drive through window minimum wage is because it's required by law. Without that law, they would pay the absolute least amount of money that they could get someone to do the job for. And yes, the government would pick up the tab through social welfare programs with your tax dollars lol
They already do this with low paying jobs. This is why companies like Walmart actually have programs to coach their employees on how to get the most out of social welfare programs to supplement their pathetic wages. Personally, I would rather have the cockroaches that own Walmart pick up the tab instead of pawning it off on big brother, which then trickles down to me for making a decent living.
There is so much ignorance in this thread that it's painful.
And that's completely irrelevant to anything I said. Think
No it's not.
You think that the McDonald's or Taco Bell on your local corner is owned by a big international corporation.
Most likely, they're not.
So when you say that you'd like to see the corporate fast food giants forced to pay $15 and a smaller local business paid existing wages but have it subsidized you lack understanding. What you fail to comprehend, is that McDonald's on Main Street IS that small local business.
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