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Old 04-19-2015, 09:00 PM
 
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It doesn't even mean that. Remember Mitt Romney being asked if he considered himself Hispanic because his father had lived in Mexico growing up?

It is indicative of just how manufactured the term is when actual countries with Hispanic majority populations don't use the term while anyone with the most tenuous ties to one of these nations can claim to be Hispanic.
Hispanic is exactly what I described. Why would Mitt Romney be Hispanic because his father spent time in Mexico? The Romney's have no Spanish ancestoral roots and their native language isn't Spanish. They aren't from the Spanish culture either.
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Old 04-20-2015, 12:18 AM
 
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I don't quite get the point of the post either, since there was no question asked or problem presented...
The main "problem" I think, is the retelling of history. Sure people have the right to make up ethnic identities and call themselves whatever they want, but I don't think anybody has the right to make up a history to go along with it.

An example of Latino historical revisionism:

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Latinos in the Civil Rights Movement

When thinking about the Civil Rights Movement, some of the first things that may pop into your mind are Martin Luther King, African-Americans, Rosa Parks, and more. We often forget our own people, Latinos, who had the same problems as African-Americans in the Civil Rights Movement.


Nicholas Dauphine, writer of Hispanics Are Forgotten in Civil Rights History, gave several good points about how crucial Latinos were in the Civil Rights Movement. In speaking with his relatives, he determined that they went through similar, if not the same, problems that African-Americans went through. I’m sure if you speak with your own relatives, it will be the case, too.


Why aren’t Latinos given a voice in textbooks that describe their hardships during the Civil Rights Movement? It is possible that many people aren’t aware of the hardships that Latinos faced during the Civil Rights Movement because the main hardships described are African-Americans. However, we must not forget the Supreme Court cases that helped shape our society today that were brought about because of Latinos or the different leaders who were Latinos that helped lead the Civil Rights Movement. With the number of Latinos only rising, it is imperative “to shine a light on the history, conditions, people, and effects of Latino activists and legislation,” like Dauphine wrote. Because Latinos had the impact they did, it is essential to let Latinos have dignity in their impressive past.
Chamonix Mejia


Latinos in the Civil Rights Movement
What is forgotten about "hispanics/latinos" is that they were recently invented as an ethnic group. Nobody in the past before 1970 was ever called "hispanic" or "latino". The reason there is little mention of Latinos in history books, is not because they are being ignored, but because no such concept existed. That's what they don't understand. What hispanic/latino organizations are doing now is completely ahistorical. They're going back in time, and labeling people "hispanic" even though that is not what they were considered then.


The real history that is being forgotten is that Mexicans, Cubans, and Puertoricans were considered racially white and not distinguished from other white immigrant groups. Hispanics/Latinos had nothing to do with the American civil rights movement because it didn't concern 90% of them - they were too busy being white. They went to the all-white segregated schools, and enjoyed all the other legal white privileges of the era.

This is ridiculous because it is recent history, and plenty of people such as yourself are old enough to know this, and remember it very well.

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Old 04-20-2015, 03:22 PM
 
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Latinos are not a race. Are Arabs a race, or Jewish people their own race even thou 90 percent of them are "white". What is white anyway. People from Iran and Iraq are white by the US Cenus definition. I don't know Hispanic or Latino means other than coming from a Spanish speaking country
Well, there are groups that are working on that too. If they can make a 'Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus' from groups that are of completely different cultures, racial make up and Haplogroups, why not an Arab, Persian, Mongul or other group
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Old 04-20-2015, 03:48 PM
 
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Well, there are groups that are working on that too. If they can make a 'Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus' from groups that are of completely different cultures, racial make up and Haplogroups, why not an Arab, Persian, Mongul or other group
They have formerly requested as separate census classification, but it was denied (the last time anyway). The U.S. government wants to keep people in whatever box they want them to fall in.
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Old 04-20-2015, 04:57 PM
 
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In the past (in segregated America) Mexicans-Americans actually fought legal battles demanding that ALL Mexicans be considered white, and they won.
You need to cite cases if you expect anyone to even begin to believe that.

While Mexican Americans did a number of cases such as Delgado v Bastrop (1948) which ended the designation of specific buildings on school campuses for Mexican children and in Hernandez v State of Texas they were part of a number of federal suits that culminated in the Supreme Court striking down racial discrimination in education decision in Brown v Board of Education 1954. Those cases did not win the right of Mexican Americans to be considered white!
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Old 04-20-2015, 05:02 PM
 
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The real history that is being forgotten is that Mexicans, Cubans, and Puertoricans were considered racially white and not distinguished from other white immigrant groups.
Funny, I have a placard sitting over my desk that reads:

NO
DOGS
NEGROES
MEXICANS

(I believe it is listed in order of preference with dogs being the least offensive)

Issued by the Lonestar Restaurant Assn. 20 Feb 1942
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Old 04-20-2015, 05:09 PM
 
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No you didn't! LOL

Read your own "proof":

Definition 2:

2: of, relating to, or being a person of Latin American descent living in the United States; especially : one of Cuban, Mexican, or Puerto Rican origin


This is the definition of the word "hispanic" - used as an ethnic category - that was invented in the U.S in the 70's.
Words are not invented but are coined.

As someone previously mentioned, white is a totally "invented" word to describe melanin challenged individuals who like "hispanics" do not share the same history or culture but rather to identify a privileged group of people who set themselves apart from others.

Have a nice day.
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Old 04-20-2015, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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That's simply not true.
I've got eyewitness accounts from plenty of Mexicans, including my barber and his wife (he's from Valentine, Tx, she's from Van Horn, Tx) that "No dogs & No Mexicans" signs were a TOTALLY NORMAL feature of life in Texas and especially West Texas.
My barber moved to Arizona in 1965 to escape Texas racism against Hispanics.
Come on...stop being ridiculous.
Is this link some sort of fantasy:
No Dogs, No Negros, No Mexicans: The Roots of Discrimination in Texas | Care2 Causes
From a racial discrimination and discussion basis those signs have also been aimed at the Irish. To the point that when a frontier town was safe those signs went up aimed at largely Irish enlisted Army soldiers. To this day small towns around forts are called Dogtowns. While references to Indian land as a dangerous place has lessened.
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Old 04-20-2015, 05:20 PM
 
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You need to cite cases if you expect anyone to even begin to believe that.
There's plenty to read on the subject:

The Legal Construction of Race: Mexican-Americans and Whiteness. Occasional Paper No. 54. Latino Studies Series: ERIC - The Legal Construction of Race: Mexican-Americans and Whiteness. Occasional Paper No. 54. Latino Studies Series., 2000-Oct
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Mexican Americans were legally defined as Whites as a result of treaty obligations with Mexico that expressly allowed Mexicans to become U.S. citizens. Federal laws of the time required that an alien be White to become a U.S. citizen. The government of Mexico and the U.S. Department of State pressured the U.S. Census Bureau to classify Mexican Americans as White.

The "Other White": Mexican Americans and the Impotency of Whiteness in the Segregation and Desegregation of Texan Public Schools
: http://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ799279

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This article analyzes the legal classification of Mexican Americans as "other white" as argued in a number of critical court cases that beginning in the 1930s up to the 1970s attempted to desegregate public schools in Texas. Since the Texas constitution declared school segregation as being only for "colored children," Mexican Americans in their fight against "de facto" segregation sought to claim their legal classification as white.
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Old 04-20-2015, 05:34 PM
 
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If Mexicans have always been considered white, someone had better send them the memo.
That was my thought as well. Not to mention the Puerto Ricans and Cubans who are black.
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