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If a political opposition can pick up a phone and bring the full force of the state down on your head, it's probably time to get the heck out of Dodge. Stick a fork into the place, there's nothing to be done about it.
I'd be mad for a about a week, and then be thankful for the warning. You don't want to be the last Jew in Berlin.
in other words , everyone is just arguing opinion.
That being said, nationalism has always been considered on the right side of the political spectrum.
Hilter socialism was in and of itself wrapped in nationalism, so in context, it wasnt leftist. Calling his brand of socialism nationalist would be the equivalent of calling the founding fathers socialist for creating the Constitution, because in essences, they wanted the exact same thing. For their countries to have control of their own destiny without the influence of outside forces.
Amazing how the leftists twist and squirm when the facts don't fit their narrative.
Keep in mind that the feds have taken out and jailed democrats in my home state of Illinois for decades....
A weaponized prosecutorial system that targets Republicans in Wisconsin is OK because there's a weaponized prosecutorial system that targets Democrats in Illinois?
How about, this story from Wisconsin is simply the latest one in a depressingly long string of prosecutorial misconduct raging like a wildfire all across the US, and you put aside your partisan nonsense long enough to see the government tyranny forest for your partisan trees? How about that?
How about you rightly and properly fear your own government at both the national and state level, instead of buying into their prepackaged boogeymen like ISIS, Iran, "the other party", Obama, Bush, etc, because they are out there punishing free speech with sunrise raids, illegal search and seizure, gag orders, and systematically and most purposefully ruining lives for the "crime" of simply voicing disagreement with the wrong politician?
Like conservatives and libertarians have been silent all this time about Illinois being easily the most corrupt state in the union? Weaponized politics as a theory got its start in Illinois. Illinois is to corrupt, tyrannical, abusive government as Cooperstown + Yankee Stadium are to baseball - as in the place you think of when you are thinking about corruption and thugtastic politics. But the Wisconsin thing is CURRENT, as in a CURRENT EVENT, so it is getting discussion. Not dismissive of Illinois corruption, but as addendum and further illustration of a national problem.
Don't let partisan myopia blind you to the reality of politicians acting like mafia thugs all across the country, regardless of which side they are attacking. Wrong is wrong and tyranny is tyranny, regardless of whose head has the gun to it and who is holding the gun.
And it isn't just "blogs" reporting the story. National Review, Wall Street Journal, Reason Magazine and others are on the Wisconsin thing, but there are also two court cases currently awaiting decisions directly related to the Wisconsin thing, one of which is at the SCOTUS. And Wisconsin's political thuggery has been in the national spotlight in tons of media outlets ever since the WI Democrats and their union thugs began going after Walker with every means legal and illegal they could muster. This is just part of that larger, rather well covered story.
But your casual dismissal and deflection makes you a fine partisan toadie of your political masters. Keep carrying their water so well, and maybe someday a table scrap or two will find its way to your food bowl.
They took Democrats out in your state because they were, ummm, wait for it....CRIMINALS! What criminal actions did the people in Wisconsin do and were they elected officials like in your state?
A weaponized prosecutorial system that targets Republicans in Wisconsin is OK because there's a weaponized prosecutorial system that targets Democrats in Illinois?
I stopped reading there.
Not going to let you strawman me when I was merely pointing out that the feds busting someone is not defacto proof of political targeting.
Hey, let me try strawmanning...this is fun!
It's great to hear that Gov. Blagovich trying to sell Obama's Senate seat was totally cool to you and he was just oppressed by the bad ole government.
If you want to have an adult discussion then go take a walk around the block and calm down before pulling that sort of stunt again.
IMHO Democrats just couldn't believe Scott Walker won in Wisconsin, and turned to prosecutors to unleash hell and retribution on Walker supporters. "At least 29 conservative groups have been targeted in the nearly two-year probe digging for alleged violations of campaign finance and coordination laws in Wisconsin’s 2011 and 2012 recall elections." Lawsuits looming in Wisconsin's crumbling John Doe probe? - Watchdog.org
Using John Doe laws, they went after Walker supporters, kicking in doors in the middle of the night to intimidate and terrify. As one woman put it - "She ran to the door, opened it, and then chaos. “People came pouring in. For a second I thought it was a home invasion. It was terrifying. They were yelling and running, into every room in the house. One of the men was in my face, yelling at me over and over and over.†Wisconsin's Shame:
So we have the collusion of a corrupt Democratic prosecutor, a corrupt judge and the willing participation of the MSM, just to harass Walker supporters. This is today's liberal America. Nice job folks.
i believe that the prosecutor, and the judge should face criminal charges for their role in this, and if convicted should spend a long time in prison.
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I guess I'm going to be complicit too until I see some more meat to the story.
Keep in mind that the feds have taken out and jailed democrats in my home state of Illinois for decades....so crying political targeting is going to take something substantive rather than blogs and crying media bias.
alright, how many of those people that were jailed in illinois were citizens that supported the democrat party? we are not talking about politicians here in wisconsin, we are talking about the people that voted for walker and other republicans, as well as peole that donated to their campaigns. in other words ordinary citizens that did nothing wrong other than supporting the republican party in wisconsin. so show me where the republicans ever did the same thing in illinois, or in fact in ANY state, and you can then possibly play the equivalency card.
Now that this thread has been completely derailed, reading some further stories about this makes it seem incredible disconcerting. Not sure how laws like the one in Wisconsin even pass Constitutional muster.
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When Vladimir Putin sends government thugs to raid opposition offices, the world clucks its tongue. But, after all, Putin's a corrupt dictator, so what do you expect?
But in Wisconsin, Democratic prosecutors were raiding political opponents' homes and, in a worse-than-Putin twist, they were making sure the world didn't even find out, by requiring their targets to keep quiet. As David French notes in National Review, "As if the home invasion, the appropriation of private property, and the verbal abuse weren't enough, next came ominous warnings.
Don't call your lawyer. Don't tell anyone about this raid. Not even your mother, your father, or your closest friends. ... This was the on-the-ground reality of the so-called John Doe investigations, expansive and secret criminal proceedings that directly targeted Wisconsin residents because of their relationship to Scott Walker, their support for Act 10, and their advocacy of conservative reform."
Is this un-American? Yes, yes it is. And the prosecutors involved — who were attacking supporters of legislation that was intended to rein in unions' power in the state — deserve to be punished. Abusing law enforcement powers to punish political opponents, and to discourage contributions to political enemies, is a crime, and it should also be grounds for disbarment.
The judges also questioned Wisconsin's John Doe proceedings, which are similar to grand juries but take place before a judge instead of a panel of citizens. Easterbrook noted that how John Doe probes are run is not before the appeals court but said the provision restricting people from talking about their John Doe testimony appeared "screamingly unconstitutional."
"It does seem to me an order saying you can't tell your own story is a classic gag order and probably unconstitutional per se," Easterbrook said.
Not going to let you strawman me when I was merely pointing out that the feds busting someone is not defacto proof of political targeting.
Hey, let me try strawmanning...this is fun!
It's great to hear that Gov. Blagovich trying to sell Obama's Senate seat was totally cool to you and he was just oppressed by the bad ole government.
If you want to have an adult discussion then go take a walk around the block and calm down before pulling that sort of stunt again.
Thanks in advance.
Did you read the article? Or Google the subject?
This isn't anything like the prosecution of criminals in IL.
In WI, a rogue DA with a political ax to grind got one judge to allow him to go on a witch hunt. They had no probable cause, just suspicions, and in some cases, the things they were investigating wouldn't have been a crime even if proven true.
The WSJ has done a lot of reporting on this. The DA abused WI's "John Doe" laws, busted into people's homes in the middle of the night, took all of their computers and phones, including those belonging to their children, got secret access to all their personal and professional e-mails, all without a shred of proof that those citizens had done anything wrong. Their only crime was supporting conservative causes.
And under John Doe laws, the poor people couldn't even tell people what was happening.
Imagine the police breaking into your house with dozens of officers in the middle of the night, waking up your children, tossing your house, taking all your electronics, including the one that has your daughter's term paper on it, and your cell phone with all your business contacts. Your neighbors see all of this. Your house is left a mess, things strewn about, children terrorized. Then you aren't allowed to tell anyone what is happening so rumors begin to spread throughout the neighborhood, your children's school, your office. And your only "crime"? Supporting a political party that a rogue DA dislikes. That's it.
That is what happened to these people. A federal judge finally put a stop to it after several years, and now it has been appealed to both the WI Supreme Court and the US Supreme Court.
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