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Religions are SEPARATE to the state in America. 99% of the arguments I've ever heard about being against gay marriage I've heard is all about religious conviction based. That religious conviction is over God not liking homosexual acts. Unless we are willing to amend equal protection out of the constitution, and not treat those of us who are not heterosexual white males as equals, we should allow it. Now tell me, does two homosexuals who get married for the same legal benefits that a religious or non-religious heterosexual couple currently gets (insurance coverage, estate tax exemption, joint-filing, hospital visitation, medical decisions, etc.) does that make your religious heterosexual marriage any less of a marriage in the eye of God?
Also Rome didn't respect marriage, there were orgies and homosexual acts back then. Also there wasn't many Roman who were Christians until about 300 AD and no Greeks in the days of Ancient Greece were Christian. Does their marriages make your religious heterosexual marriage any less in the eye of God?[/quote]
Its call a Civil union what you concluding to. Marriage in the eyes of God will is One Man and One Women.
Those of Faith will not endorse a downfall life style. But Liberals seem to have sued their way to the top to forcefully make people accept Gay Marriage as a normal behavior.
That's why we have civil union to those who lives their lives in this matter.
No one said that marriage has ever been easy even in the time of Rome. It really depended who was the ruler of Rome at the time . But the Romans ruled differently in their conquered regions to maintain order and collect taxes for the Empire.
There was a time when all existed well and that was called the Pox Romana (he Pax Romana. The term "Pax Romana," which literally means "Roman peace," refers to the time period from 27 B.C.E. to 180 C.E. in the Roman Empire)
So Marriage did prospered in the time of Rome.
Forget the History lesson, the Supreme Court will probably kick it back to the voters and the States.
There are no laws I am aware of that prevent gay marriage in the U.S.
In Loving v Virginia there were laws preventing interracial marriage.
Most states either have no law about gay marriage or simply define marriage as between a man and a woman. It is had to find an equal protection case in that argument unless you are willing to completely obliterate the definition of what marriage is.
Correct..however States have Laws that prevent those unions or marriages to be recognized thus denying them all the rights and privileges of Married heterosexual Couples...THAT's the issue...recognition to the rights and dignity of such couples...Federally..ALL Same-sex couple NOW can avail those rights..BUT that only cover's Federal workers..NOT recognized in certain States that ban such things....That's actually what SCOTUS is deciding now...The least they can do is force State Banned Same Sex recognitions can be forced to recognize it if couple married in a STATE that does recognize it..The next step would be IF SCOTUS decides it's unconstitutional to deny such rights to benefits...
The whole war on Same sex marriage is not what is being suggested..It's the Right's of those couples to have the same benefits of "Heterosexual Couple"
Simply> All Married couples regardless can avail themselves of same benefits !
Why can't all legal marriages whether it is religious or not, heterosexual or homosexual be civil unions and if you want to be married by God you can. Why must marriage by God be the be all end all? Dont forget, one can be married by common law or married by a Justice of the Peace at a courthouse and not be married in the eyes of God. Are those marriages if even by heterosexuals any less of a marriage or makes your's any less?
For some reason when conservatives are challenged on gay marriage they revert to the idea that marriage isn't a right granted by the government but rather a privilege granted by government. However this simply isn't true. In the case of Loving V. Virginia, the Supreme Court ruled that marriage is a right allowing for interracial marriages rather than the states allowing Jim Crow laws to prevent them. How can the Supreme Court be wrong without congress passing a law defining marriage as a privilege rather than a right?
Marruage has always been defined the same way.... between one man and one woman. That's why Loving doesn't apply here. They said people of different races could marry, but the core definition remained the same.....one man and one woman....
No one is barred from marriage. Even gay people. They are free to marry anyone of the opposite sex they like. But, they don't want to enter in to a marriage, they want to change what a marriage is.
I say, why not? Why can't we redefine what marriage is? What's the harm in expaning marriage to include same sex partners?
And which contract makes your spouse a legal citizen if they are from another country? It would suck to have your spouse deported. There is a lot of things that come with marriage that makes a marriage license much easier over writing up a ton of individual contracts.
I don't think they should become legal citizens because of marriage. They should apply for citizenship like everyone else and go through the same screening process. I also think that we should do away with birthright citizenship. You should have to have at least one parent who is a citizen to have automatic citizenship like in most other countries.
Last edited by Ivorytickler; 05-02-2015 at 08:29 PM..
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