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The pro-vaccine crowd is being duped. This is a REAL Conspiracy. Stop being the herd and wake up folks. Vaccines are not safe. They are not as advertised.
BUT LETS PRETENT VACCINES ARE SAFE FOR A MOMENT - Do you still see what is going on? They are still making them mandatory. They are using regulations to force people into getting vaccinated. They are removing exceptions and freedoms. They are removing CHOICE on an unprecedented level. Once they can desensitize the populace to this effort - they can mobilize this pattern of removing other freedoms you may have. Listen folks - the contemporaries of corruption are guised in compassion. There is no greater conductive medium than compassion when it comes to deceiving a population. They are using Sensitivity as a Sword!
suzy addressed the Thalidomide issue. Never licensed in the US. That horrible FDA that many like to rail against wouldn't do it.
I found a letter my mom wrote to her mom in 1949, when I was a baby. She referred to there being a lot of polio around. Maybe parents didn't express these concerns to their small children, but they were there. You'd have to be living under a rock not to have heard about the polio epidemics!
BTW, it's KataRINA, not Katrina.
Contrary to the fear porn of rewritten history, the truth is, polio was one of the mildest infectious diseases ever, with 95% of the infected suffering no symptoms whatsoever, or very brief and very mild cold like symptoms. I know that's hard to get your head around since it is so totally opposite what you've been told all your life, but true nonetheless. Sadly, the part about people dying or suffering near death reactions to the live polio vaccine (me being one of them) is never part of the conversation, to say nothing of the cancer viruses that were subsequently discovered in those vaccines after wide scale deployment by Hilleman, at Merck! Tens of millions were injected with cancer viruses! That is a PROVEN and ADMITTED fact.
From the late 1940s to the early 1950s, polio outbreaks in the United States increased in frequency and size. Parents were frightened to let their children go outside, especially in the summer when the virus seemed to peak. Travel and commerce between affected cities were sometimes restricted. Public health officials imposed quarantines (used to separate and restrict the movement of well people who may have been exposed to a contagious disease to see if they become ill) on homes and towns where polio cases were diagnosed."
Polio Cases, Deaths, and Vaccination Rates - Vaccines - ProCon.org
See graphs. About 1 death for every 30 cases in 1955.` About 1% become paralyzed. Out of 59,000 cases (the highest number, 1952), that meant 590 cases of paralysis. Believe me, if there were a vaccine that caused that much paralysis, the anti-vaxers would be storming the CDC!
"Vaccines Can Cause the Very Disease They’re Meant to Prevent, and Worse
For years, researchers suggested that millions of vials of polio vaccine, contaminated with SV40, infected individuals between 1953 and 1963 and caused human tumors, and by 1999, molecular evidence of SV40 infections were showing up in children born after 1982. Some experts now suggest the virus may have remained in the polio vaccine until as late as 1999.
Still, the FDA and health authorities turned a blind eye.
In addition, just like Gardasil may well increase your risk of cervical cancer rather than reduce it, the live polio vaccine has also been found to cause polio. And, in rare instances the virus in the vaccine has even been known to mutate into a much deadlier version. As reported by MSN News in 2009, genetic analysis has proven such mutated viruses have caused at least seven separate outbreaks in Nigeria.
According to the CDC the last case of wild polio in the US—meaning polio caused naturally and not due to the live polio vaccine—occurred in 1979. From 1980 through 1999, there were NO wild polio cases in the US. Instead we had 144 cases of vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP) caused by live oral polio vaccine."
Sunlight damages cells. Does sunlight cause autism?
The evidence is accumulating that autism is genetic. It is not caused by one gene but the interplay of many. That accounts for the "spectrum" of symptoms and severity and the fact that it affects more boys than girls.
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Baloney. The science of genetics still operate on an assumed fallacy ... that fallacy being "genetic control" wherein the DNA code controls the outcome. Experiments performed in the 1970's, published in peer reviewed journals showed that the environment outside the cell, and not the code contained inside the cell determined the outcome. That continues to be ignored, and genetic control is still taught as fact right up to the university level.
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Then why doesn't every vaccinated child have autism? Why are there families with autistic children who have been vaccinated that do not vaccinate siblings of the autistic child - and the siblings still have autism, too?
Sure, because most kids in this country are vaccinated. Children with autism are very likely to have been breast fed. Does that mean human milk causes autism?
Unvaccinated children get autism at the same rate as vaccinated children.
The answer to the first question is very simple. Each individual child, like adults are different, with different resistance to infections, differing ability to handle toxins. And since there are varying degrees of autism itself, from mild to severe, there are akso likely children whose mental capacities have been impacted, but not to the extent that autistic symptoms emerge. Such impact might very well take a different path also, such as severe allergies, asthma, arthritis, all of which have been steadily increasing in children over the past few decades.
The last comment is flatly false, as evidenced by the extreme increases in autism rates which coincide with increases in the number and volume of vaccines administered. This correlation does not prove vaccines are the cause if autism, but it does kill your claim, given that autism rates were extremely low during times when the vaccination rates were also low.
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There is no contradiction. Not all antibodies are the same. HIV antibodies are not protective. They do not prevent HIV from multiplying. Chicken pox antibodies do not prevent the virus from becoming dormant in the nervous system and possibly re-emerging as shingles. The chicken pox vaccine protects against infection, but the virus in the vaccine is less likely to cause shingles. Antibodies induced by other vaccines are protective and highly effective.
I get it ... you want to decide what a contradiction is now. Yes, antibodies offer protection, except when they don't. I suppose this is more of a "heads I win, tails you lose" proposition, rather than a contradiction.
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There was concern that SV40 might cause cancer in humans. It, fortunately, turned out not to be true. That the vaccine caused cancer is not "accepted by the health community."
Of course there is no motive behind such conclusions. Surely our trusted authorities would be the first to admit to inadvertantly infecting millions of people suffering SV40 induced cancers. Right!!
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All vaccines do not contain contaminants. Please provide a scientific, peer reviewed source to back up that statement.
There is no Mercury in current children's vaccines. Multidose vials of some flu vaccine do contain thimerosal, but you can get single dose vaccine without it. Thimerosal does not cause autism. It was removed because people like yourself are unable to accept that thimerosal is safe.
There IS mercury in ALL vaccines, as a consequence of the manufacturing process, albeit in lesser amounts than is otherwise contributed by the use if thimerosal.
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Aluminum is not a heavy metal. You get more every day from food and water than from all the vaccines a child would ever receive.
Yes it is considered a heavy metal, and a neurotoxin. Furthermore, are you suggesting that environmental exposure, such as ingested substances will react in the same manner as injected substances? That type of rhetoric might fool the weak minded, but isn't the least bit convincing to those that can actually think. Yes indeed, the FDA warns about mercury in a can of tuna, but apparently, we should not eat tune, and instead, inject it into the bloodstream.
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There was indeed contamination of polio virus with SV40. However, there is no clear evidence that SV4o causes human cancers. Of interest is the fact that SV40 has been found in some cancers in people who never had the contaminated vaccine. Also, for some cancers the SV40 found was a laboratory contaminant.
Current evidence does not support SV40 causing an epidemic of human cancer.
In addition, modern technology makes it easier to screen for unwanted viruses in vaccines, greatly reducing the risk that something similar will happen again. That is one of the ways we get better vaccines.
Already addressed. Those of even marginal intelligence should grasp why such evidence isn't found.
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There is no need to test for heavy metal "load" unless there is some reason to suspect a child has been exposed to heavy metals. Screening for lead is one that pediatricians almost universally do.
There are no heavy metals in vaccines to contribute to any "load".
That is simply not true. Both aluminum and mercury are heavy metals, both neurotoxic, and both are found in vaccines. To make matters worse, there is a synergistic effect when both metals are present. The FDA assigns safe and toxic levels for both of these, which are exceeded greatly when multiple vaccines are administered at the same time. And furthermore, these heavy metals are bioaccumulative, meaning that they are not cleared from the body, with levels accumulating over time. Therefore, the very idea that a safe level can even be estimated, let alone stated as safe, given the unknown levels existing in a random patient from environmental exposures, illustrates the fraud being perpetrated. One would first have to measure the current toxic load in an individual before declaring an additional amount as safe! Pure double talk ... shush, and take your vaccines ...
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Parents do not have to give any vaccines that they do not want to give. They just need to accept the consequences of that choice.
Given the subject matter here which revolves around your industry's desire to eliminate that choice, your statement is void of any meaning or validity.
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Informed consent means that you understand the benefits and risks of the proposed treatment. You then make the choice to use the treatment or not. That is the same whether there is a vaccine mandate or not.
What a preposterous load of double talk! If there is no choice to say no, as such a mandate would eliminate said choice, then "consent" is bypassed entirely.
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"First do no harm" would mean never doing anything medical if interpreted the way you do. Never perform an appendectomy because there might be an adverse reaction to anesthesia? Not treat a life threatening infection because there might be an allergic reaction to the antibiotic? Not set a fracture because it might not heal properly?
"First do no harm" really means "first do no net harm": the benefit should exceed the risk. It does not mean that every treatment medicine offers must be risk free. For every vaccine we have, the benefits exceed the risks.
Show me the text which includes the "net harm" caveat? And, let's try to be honest fr just a second ... I know its a tough request, but all I ask is a brief bout of honesty ...
The risk/reward measure pertains to the individual when assessing a course of action. It's part of informed consent, where the potential risks are honestly communicated, along with the potential benefits. The very notion that this risk/reward equation has been so twisted and applied under the auspices of the "greater good", and rationalized as "collateral damage" is offensive in the extreme, and exposes the mentality if your crowd better than anything I could say.
The very idea that a medical practicioner could promote a treatment ... and especially promote a mandated treatment, knowing full well that a certain number of children will be severely harmed by it, and that those children are acceptable losses, all for the assumption of a greater good for a majority is diabolical, bordering psychopathy.
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Doctors make money from healthy people every day. Obstetricians treat mostly healthy women, for example. Pediatricians see healthy kids every day - and help keep them healthy with vaccines.
There are people who are healthy now because they saw a doctor who found and cured any of a myriad number of problems. That includes identifying and treating nutritional deficiencies.
Since the premise for your argument is false, the whole thing collapses.
Again, an argument impressive only to a weak mind. The treatment of disease and illness, and particularly the chronic and life threatening types are where the big money is. Surgery not physicals make the big money. Cancer treatments, not colds make big money. Heart transplants, not hangnails Mae those massive profits ... and drugs account for tens of billions annually
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Could we spend less on health care and get the same result? Yes. Not vaccinating people would make us have to spend more, though. vaccines save money. We would spend billions more treating vaccine preventable diseases than we spend on vaccines.
Again, your assumptive claims are not supported by the facts.
Fact #1- healthcare costs have never been higher than they are now, while the number of vaccines being administered have never been greater. In fact, the increases in healthcare costs have exceeded by a wide margin, any other industry or product. So how do you conclude that vaccines save money? Show us the tangible data that supports that claim, rather than pass along as true, pure, baseless speculation that is also so self serving.
Fact #2- when I was a child, most parents treated these childhood diseases such as chickenpox and measles with over the counter products from the drug store ... no doctors needed, except in those rare cases of complications. The vast majority of kids like myself, got all of them ... measles, mumps, chickenpox ... the whole enchilada. Was it a pleasant experience? Nope. Was it deadly ... here I am, and given the huge numbers of the now retired or soon to retire baby boomers out here, I suspect they survived just like I did.
If the fear porn you peddle was actually true, our overpopulation problem wouldn't be such a problem!
Sorry, but that dog don't hunt.... INFANTS are being vaccinated an hour after they emerge from their mother's womb.
Then, when a number of them exhibit breathing problems, or worse, they are medicated for those symptoms, and NEVER is the vaccine implicated, because as the mantra insists, the vaccines are safe and necessary.
The truth is, by the time anyone can identify autistic "traits" the child has already been vaccinated with multiple shots... first, at birth (1 hepb shot), then 6 more shots at 2 months old, then 5 more shots at 4 months old, and 5 more at 6 months old. That is 18 shots in the first 6 months of life, and 28 total shots by 12 months of age!
Neither you, nor recognzed autism specialists can assess such traits in children under 24 months, with the average age of 4 years receiving such diagnosis. You say you can see these traits in infants? Fugetaboutit
There may indeed be multiple factors involved, but really .... you deny vaccines as suspects in the cause of neurological disorders even though they contain proven neurotoxic substances? But you're willing to consider microwave ovens as a possible culprit? That makes no sense at all.
The truth is, and basic common sense would immediately consider the injection into the body of neurotoxins as the prime suspect in these neurological disorders. Of course, we have whistle blowers from the CDC and FDA who have come forward recently, testifying to the fact that such causitive links between MMR and austism where found and the inconvenient data covered up. But that's not evidence either?
Omg, that is just not true Is this what they do in texas because it's not what they do in my state.
For years, researchers suggested that millions of vials of polio vaccine, contaminated with SV40, infected individuals between 1953 and 1963 and caused human tumors, and by 1999, molecular evidence of SV40 infections were showing up in children born after 1982. Some experts now suggest the virus may have remained in the polio vaccine until as late as 1999.
There was concern the virus would cause tumors. There is no clear evidence that it does. In addition, people who never had contaminated vaccine can be infected with SV40.
At any rate, current vaccines are tested for unwanted viruses. New technology, not available when the polio vaccine was produced in the 1950s, makes that possible.
"SV40 was present in cancers of people who either had or had not received the polio vaccine that was contaminated with SV40.
SV40 has not been present in any vaccine since 1963.
People with cancers who were born after SV40 was no longer a contaminant of the polio vaccine were found to have evidence for SV40 in their cancerous cells.
Using current techniques, it is difficult to distinguish SV40 virus from other common and related viruses.
Epidemiologic studies do not show an increased risk of cancers in those who received polio vaccine between 1955 and 1963."
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Still, the FDA and health authorities turned a blind eye.
Considering the number of citations for studies on SV40 that any Google search produces that statement is unequivocally false.
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In addition, just like Gardasil may well increase your risk of cervical cancer rather than reduce it, the live polio vaccine has also been found to cause polio. And, in rare instances the virus in the vaccine has even been known to mutate into a much deadlier version. As reported by MSN News in 2009, genetic analysis has proven such mutated viruses have caused at least seven separate outbreaks in Nigeria.
According to the CDC the last case of wild polio in the US—meaning polio caused naturally and not due to the live polio vaccine—occurred in 1979. From 1980 through 1999, there were NO wild polio cases in the US. Instead we had 144 cases of vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP) caused by live oral polio vaccine."
Yes. No one was getting wild poliovirus infections any more - because of the vaccine. Because of the risk of vaccine associated polio from the oral vaccine, the US stopped using it. There is no risk of the inactivated vaccine causing polio.
The oral vaccine has been used in countries that still have wild polio infections because it is better at stopping transmission of the virus. As we get closer to eliminating the wild virus (one of the three types has already been eliminated), the oral vaccine is being phased out. When polio is eliminated worldwide, as was done with smallpox, no one will need any polio vaccine any more.
Gardasil is already proving very effective in preventing infections with HPV and the precancerous conditions caused by HPV that can become true cancers. It will prevent cancers, not cause them.
"HPV vaccines are highly effective in preventing infection with the types of HPV they target when given before initial exposure to the virus—which means before individuals begin to engage in sexual activity. In the trials that led to approval of Gardasil and Cervarix, these vaccines were found to provide nearly 100 percent protection against persistent cervical infections with HPV types 16 and 18 and the cervical cell changes that these persistent infections can cause. Gardasil 9 is as effective as Gardasil for the prevention of diseases caused by the four shared HPV types (6, 11, 16, and 18), based on similar antibody responses in participants in clinical studies. The trials that led to approval of Gardasil 9 found it to be 97 percent effective in preventing cervical, vulvar, and vaginal disease caused by the five additional HPV types (31, 33, 45, 52, and 58) that it targets."
There was concern the virus would cause tumors. There is no clear evidence that it does. In addition, people who never had contaminated vaccine can be infected with SV40.
"SV40 was present in cancers of people who either had or had not received the polio vaccine that was contaminated with SV40.
SV40 has not been present in any vaccine since 1963.
People with cancers who were born after SV40 was no longer a contaminant of the polio vaccine were found to have evidence for SV40 in their cancerous cells.
Interesting.
Americans usually do not come in contact with Simians (monkeys).
Must be some kinda intercontinental contagion, or something.
From the late 1940s to the early 1950s, polio outbreaks in the United States increased in frequency and size. Parents were frightened to let their children go outside, especially in the summer when the virus seemed to peak. Travel and commerce between affected cities were sometimes restricted. Public health officials imposed quarantines (used to separate and restrict the movement of well people who may have been exposed to a contagious disease to see if they become ill) on homes and towns where polio cases were diagnosed."
Polio Cases, Deaths, and Vaccination Rates - Vaccines - ProCon.org
See graphs. About 1 death for every 30 cases in 1955.` About 1% become paralyzed. Out of 59,000 cases (the highest number, 1952), that meant 590 cases of paralysis. Believe me, if there were a vaccine that caused that much paralysis, the anti-vaxers would be storming the CDC!
People were not blase about this!
I'm not twisting anything. Now let me guide you in a lesson of logical analysis for a minute.
Polio was indeed, by all measure, a mild disease. So mild in fact that the vast majority of those who contracted the virus suffered no symptoms at all, while some suffered very mild symptoms. Given this fact, can you see how those percentages you cite are meaningless? No? Well, if a majority experienced no symptoms, then it is very likely that only those who experienced symptoms that required medical treatment are being counted in the total number of polio cases, skewing dramatically the percentage if those suffering severe symptoms, and paralysis. Follow me ?
The math is fairly simple ... if only 10% suffered symptoms, and of that, 1% suffered severe outcomes, the true percentage of those severe outcomes is not 1%, but only 1/10th of 1%. That's not twisting, that is just math. But if we are to be totally honest ... there really is no way to determine the actual number of those who contracted asymptomatic polio infection, so no percentages of severe or mild outcomes can be anything other than speculation, given the unknown numbers infected.
What isn't speculation is the danger of the live vaccine, as i know first hand about that! I received the live oral polio vaccine at school. I remember, because I remember receiving a sugar cube with a substance on it. Some time thereafter, I experienced an unexplained illness, so severe, that I almost died. Convulsions, fever of 106, requiring my parents to submerge me in a bath tub filled with water and ice before I could even be transported to the hospital. At the time, our doctor had no explanation for this mystery illness, and no explanation was ever found, speculated or offered. It was only through my own research as an adult that I put 2 and 2 together, with other stories of polio vaccine reactions that mimicked my own.
So, you see, the denial of vaccine damage is not new at all. It's been an ongoing thing for as long as I've been alive ... and extends all the way back to merry old England and their disastrous experience with mandatory smallpox vaccinations that resulted in exponential death rates compared to dramatically lower death rates in areas of Europe not vaccinated.
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Is this what they do in texas because it's not what they do in my state.
