MORE U.S. atrocities (rating, leader, state, claim)

[KantLockeMeIn]

Originally Posted by oz in SC

The war is on terrorism not specific terror groups.

Iraq supported terrorism and actually took in terrorists responsible for murdering an American civilian.

So can we destroy the CIA now, since their actions in the past clearly demonstrated ties to terror groups?

[oz in SC]

Originally Posted by burdell

Nope, not a unilateral invasion but I would've told the UN we're in only under certain conditions and the ousting of Saddam would've been at the top of my list along with payment in oil from Kuwait to cover the cost of the rescue effort.

And as far as the UN goes that land would make a lovely park.

The Muslim nations would never have agreed to it.

Same reason Israel was not part of the coalition.

I agree about the UN by the way...

[KantLockeMeIn]

Originally Posted by oz in SC

They attack us because their Holy book calls for the establishment(by force if necessary) of Islam as the global religion.

The root cause is Islam.

I'll play along. Why haven't we invaded Saudi Arabia?

[oz in SC]

Originally Posted by twojciac

So can we destroy the CIA now, since their actions in the past clearly demonstrated ties to terror groups?

Destroy it, no.

Severely restrict it, yes.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by oz in SC

The war is on terrorism not specific terror groups.

Iraq supported terrorism and actually took in terrorists responsible for murdering an American civilian.

And al Qaeda operates in over 40 countries, fixating on Iraq and expending so many of our assets there just allows terror operations freer rein in other countries. Trying to fight an unconventional war with conventional strategy is an exercise in futility.

[oz in SC]

Originally Posted by twojciac

I'll play along. Why haven't we invaded Saudi Arabia?

Most likely because of fear of the reaction of Muslims worldwide.

Sooner or later people will realise that Muslims who truly believe the Koran as it is written and western ideals cannot coexist peacefully.

We will either surrender or they will change or of course things will keep going as they have been since Islam's founding....a constant struggle as it attempts to subjugate the world.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by oz in SC

The Muslim nations would never have agreed to it.

Same reason Israel was not part of the coalition.

I agree about the UN by the way...

Then I believe we should have politely told the UN Thanks but NO Thanks.

And do Muslim nations really carry enough weight to steer UN decisions?

[Tricky D]

Originally Posted by my54ford

perhaps I misunderstood the questionwhich I paraphrase as; is it bad to bomb non-military targets containing women and kids..........

In my opinion WWII is not comparable with the war in Iraq. The Nazis were the government of Germany and responsible for Germany's action and the terrorist groups who caused 9/11 are not the government of any country.
Invading Iraq to bring democracy is the same as Nazi Germany invading Holland in order to reach Britain. At least the Nazis are 'honest' in their intention. They had nothing personally against the Dutch, it was just that Holland was caught in the middle between Britain and Germany.
Germany is the enemy, because the Nazís govern Germany.
The terrorist are the enemy, but not the Iraqi people (especially when they previously were suppressed by a military dictator).

[oz in SC]

Originally Posted by burdell

And al Qaeda operates in over 40 countries, fixating on Iraq and expending so many of our assets there just allows terror operations freer rein in other countries. Trying to fight an unconventional war with conventional strategy is an exercise in futility.

Does it?
Then why has Al Qaeda not established a safe haven ala Afghanistan pre 9/11?

I believe Iraq was a gamble to try and establish a viable alternative to Islamic radicalism,if it works is up to the Iraqi people in the end.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by oz in SC

Most likely because of fear of the reaction of Muslims worldwide.

Sooner or later people will realise that Muslims who truly believe the Koran as it is written and western ideals cannot coexist peacefully.

We will either surrender or they will change or of course things will keep going as they have been since Islam's founding....a constant struggle as it attempts to subjugate the world.

If as you imply all Muslims are the enemy, and I don't believe that to be true, WHY would we give a rat's behind about the enemies reaction to what we do?