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Old 07-27-2015, 06:09 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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Hmmm... You said you paid zero extra to the U.S. Treasury to meet the poor's needs, and included this; read it all:
You claim private charities don't alleviate poverty, but then specifically state you donate to them but don't send extra money to the U.S. Treasury to meet the poor's needs.
Post my entire response.....

Honestly, how many people actually give more to the treasury? Can you quantify it? Otherwise, you're being dishonest by putting words in my mouth and omiting my entire response and setting up a strawman, which is a logical fallacy.

 
Old 07-27-2015, 06:24 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Honestly, how many people actually give more to the treasury?
The federal government spemds about $800 billion on welfare services and benefits for the poor each year. If you want to help the poor why wouldn't you send more money to the U.S. Treasury to fund those services and benefits instead of donating to charities, especially since you've already stated that private charities don't alleviate poverty?
 
Old 07-27-2015, 06:42 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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The federal government spemds about $800 billion on welfare services and benefits for the poor each year. If you want to help the poor why wouldn't you send more money to the U.S. Treasury to fund those services and benefits instead of donating to charities, especially since you've already stated that private charities don't alleviate poverty?
There you go again.... First you reply to my ENTIRE post, don't just pick and choose. If you can't, be an adult and take personal responibility.

I've already answered why I give to charity and it has nothing to do with your strawman and dishonest tactics.
 
Old 07-27-2015, 06:43 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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If your going to take welfare money you work in a civil job. Clean streets, gardening in the city, assist farmers if your in the country etc.. No free meal ticket period
The unions wouldn't like that. And I don't care personally.
 
Old 07-27-2015, 06:53 PM
 
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Post my entire response.....

Honestly, how many people actually give more to the treasury? Can you quantify it? Otherwise, you're being dishonest by putting words in my mouth and omiting my entire response and setting up a strawman, which is a logical fallacy.
LOL. I can

1.03 million last year.

Source:
https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/.../gift/gift.htm

But really irrelevant to the argument. The whole "why dont you send a check" Is complete nonsense. Its like these people don't comprehend that they live in a society.
 
Old 07-27-2015, 07:01 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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LOL. I can

1.03 million last year.

Source:
https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/.../gift/gift.htm

But really irrelevant to the argument. The whole "why dont you send a check" Is complete nonsense. Its like these people don't comprehend that they live in a society.
Interesting... So it seems the Treasury gets between 1-2 million extra dollars per year depending on how the economy is doing.

I know the poster in question is just using a strawman and deflecting from the fact I pointed out their article shows the highest Medicaid births on in Red States in general.
 
Old 07-28-2015, 12:36 AM
 
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There you go again.... First you reply to my ENTIRE post, don't just pick and choose.
Did you send extra money to the U.S. Treasury? No.

Do you prefer to donate to private charities instead? Yes.

No picking and choosing, there. You stated those positions yourself. They also happen to be the same positions advocated by conservatives/republicans.
 
Old 07-28-2015, 12:39 AM
 
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LOL. I can

1.03 million last year.

Source:
https://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/.../gift/gift.htm

But really irrelevant to the argument. The whole "why dont you send a check" Is complete nonsense. Its like these people don't comprehend that they live in a society.
How is contributing more to society by sending more to the U.S. Treasury to put your money where your mouth is, irrelevant?
 
Old 07-28-2015, 02:25 AM
 
Location: Washington state
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We're going back to the early to mid 19th century without the agrarian system that allowed people to be self sufficient.
You know, I hate to be the one to break this to you, but no one in any period of time has ever been totally self sufficient. Even the Egyptians traded with other countries to get the supplies that they needed and couldn't grow or make in their own country.
 
Old 07-28-2015, 06:02 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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You know, I hate to be the one to break this to you, but no one in any period of time has ever been totally self sufficient. Even the Egyptians traded with other countries to get the supplies that they needed and couldn't grow or make in their own country.
Good point... And notice how they had to trade something of equal value to get what they needed and didn't have? Why can't able-bodied public assistance recipients do the same?
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