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Old 07-17-2015, 11:34 AM
 
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Trump says building a U.S.-Mexico wall is

I read this article about the wall building.

The article seemed to say it wouldn't be a great idea.


I think it could be.

A wall would slow people down. So less terrorists would get through from Mexico.

A wall alone might not deter people from crossing the border, but it might help the border patrol who are already there.

Maybe it could make its money back by requiring less border patrol hours, and less government intervention / support for the illegal immigrants. (not saying that some of them don't get honest jobs and work very hard and support the economy once they get here)


Without a wall, they need more people to patrol the border, don't they?

And that requires a lot of effort.

And if someone needs a 50 foot ladder to bring with them, and the time to climb the wall, that will slow them down, meaning more time for patrol people to get there.


And the funny thing is Trump knows how to build skyscrapers and hotels so he could probably build a (relatively) cost efficient wall.
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Old 07-17-2015, 11:36 AM
 
Location: NC
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We cannot illegally cross into other countries as Americans and reap countless benefits, so why should we allow it here or accept a lowering of the living standards with more tired masses to support?
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Old 07-17-2015, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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Walls are not good unless they are manned 24 hours per day say in spaced towers. Then the area inbetween the towers needs to be patroled repeatedly but without an exact schedule. Then you have to assume invaders will try to tunnel under the wall so you have to extensively patrol both sides of the wall at a considerable distance from the wall where there is no direct sight from the wall towers. Who is going to patrol the Mexican side? If not, then you have invest in equipment to detect digging beneath the wall and routine sweep the entire length of a given stretch of wall.

Better off making being here more of a problem than coming over. Remove the incentive and folks leave.

How many of you folk want to wager that plenty of our more affluent members of society including politicos hire illegals to do domestic work or lawnscaping,etc.
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Old 07-17-2015, 02:45 PM
 
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Walls are not good unless they are manned 24 hours per day say in spaced towers. Then the area inbetween the towers needs to be patroled repeatedly but without an exact schedule. Then you have to assume invaders will try to tunnel under the wall so you have to extensively patrol both sides of the wall at a considerable distance from the wall where there is no direct sight from the wall towers. Who is going to patrol the Mexican side? If not, then you have invest in equipment to detect digging beneath the wall and routine sweep the entire length of a given stretch of wall.

Better off making being here more of a problem than coming over. Remove the incentive and folks leave.

How many of you folk want to wager that plenty of our more affluent members of society including politicos hire illegals to do domestic work or lawnscaping,etc.
I don't know much about walls.

But they could put the wall a mile back on the US side so that they could investigate for tunnels on the Mexican side.

Could use motion sensing cameras on the wall and just dispatch people to the spots where the cameras see something move.

As long as it isn't a deer or something.

I don't know if that would work in real life though. This is all theory in my head.
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Old 07-17-2015, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Stasis
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There are gaps in the more remote and rugged areas, but the western portion of the border (California to Texas) is already walled and the bulk of illegal crossings have shifted from the west to the east. The challenge is building a wall along the 800 mile long Rio Grande in Texas. Do you build it right on the shoreline and block drainage, recreational use, and farmer's access to water? Do you build it a mile back and make the shore strip a no man's land? What about Texas resident's on the wrong side of the wall? In either case the Feds would have to expropriate land away from Texas residents. I can't see a wall running though Big Bend National Park.
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Old 07-17-2015, 03:07 PM
 
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We cannot illegally cross into other countries as Americans and reap countless benefits, so why should we allow it here or accept a lowering of the living standards with more tired masses to support?
Sounds like a good argument to end the "countless benefits" and no boondoggle wall needed.
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Old 07-17-2015, 03:09 PM
 
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There are gaps in the more remote and rugged areas, but the western portion of the border (California to Texas) is already walled and the bulk of illegal crossings have shifted from the west to the east. The challenge is building a wall along the 800 mile long Rio Grande in Texas. Do you build it right on the shoreline and block drainage, recreational use, and farmer's access to water? Do you build it a mile back and make the shore strip a no man's land? What about Texas resident's on the wrong side of the wall? In either case the Feds would have to expropriate land away from Texas residents. I can't see a wall running though Big Bend National Park.
The only place that I know of that has the double-layered wall is along a short sector on our San Diego border. Where there is a will there is a way to finish building it along the rest of the 700 miles of porous border. I am sure the experts can figure it out. After all, we sent a man to the moon, didn't we? "Me thinks thou dost protest too much" and for the obvious reasons.
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Old 07-17-2015, 03:11 PM
 
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Walls are not good unless they are manned 24 hours per day say in spaced towers. Then the area inbetween the towers needs to be patroled repeatedly but without an exact schedule. Then you have to assume invaders will try to tunnel under the wall so you have to extensively patrol both sides of the wall at a considerable distance from the wall where there is no direct sight from the wall towers. Who is going to patrol the Mexican side? If not, then you have invest in equipment to detect digging beneath the wall and routine sweep the entire length of a given stretch of wall.

Better off making being here more of a problem than coming over. Remove the incentive and folks leave.

How many of you folk want to wager that plenty of our more affluent members of society including politicos hire illegals to do domestic work or lawnscaping,etc.
How does removing the incentives to come here deter criminals, terrorists and the drug cartels?
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Old 07-17-2015, 03:12 PM
 
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Different category. I thought it was about illegal immigrants.
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Old 07-17-2015, 03:28 PM
 
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Maybe it could make its money back by requiring less border patrol hours, and less government intervention / support for the illegal immigrants. (not saying that some of them don't get honest jobs and work very hard and support the economy once they get here)

While I agree with most your post, I don't agree with the part quoted above.^

No illegal aliens work "honest jobs". Nor do they support the economy. In fact, they are a drain on taxpayers.

It's against the law for illegals to hold jobs in this country. So, in order for them to take jobs, they do one of the following; 1) Use a stolen ID; 2) Use a fake SSN (which sometimes belongs to a living person); 3) Get paid under the table (thereby engaging in tax evasion).

Meanwhile by taking jobs, they are displacing both skilled and unskilled American citizens. Many Americans in the construction businesses have had their livelihoods destroyed due to illegal immigration.
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