can someone name a single way the democrat party helps the middle class? (interstate, healthcare)
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You're not listening, even though everyone is telling you.
Um, yeah, it's good to take our public money and give it to people who are worse off. We do a lot of good around the world, and a lot of it comes from tax money. I'm not apologizing for that. Neither are many of the middle class people who support these policies, because they are able have some sympathy and empathy for those who suffer. (Where are you getting that only the rich receive aid?)
If you're against taxes being used for welfare, you can feel free to have your opinion, but most people disagree. Thus, support for those policies is a perfectly good reason to vote for a Democrat. No one said you had to agree. You can easily just say that you're against everything Democrats stand for, but that doesn't mean middle class people have no reasons to support them.
No one cares that you're against marriage. Most people are not. Marriage is an important part of society, and excluding gay people from the institution harmed them. The fact that you don't want to get married doesn't make it okay to force gay people not to marry.
No one cares that you were denied a job (allegedly because of your race and sex -- you're clearly leaving something out of the story, because flat out denying someone a job over a protected status reason is illegal). The fact that things aren't always 100% in the favor of white males anymore doesn't mean we need to stop the civil rights movement. Seriously. Even if you lost one job, that's peanuts compared to the jobs black people have missed out on historically, and the poverty they continue to suffer under because of how they were treated for hundreds of years puts them at an extreme disadvantage today. If they get a perk here and there to help make up for that, good. Whether you agree with that or not, plenty of middle class people (even middle class white people) can agree and support that view.
so you hate religion, republicans, and white males. gotcha.
I was drawn into this thread, because for the most part I have long held we are forced to vote for the best option, whether to lean in a left or right direction, but at the same time I have long felt that our vote matters little when the problem of money in our political system is so overwhelmingly dictating. Don't get me started...
Instead I might just introduce what I call my "Cement Theory," that is based on my observation that after we get past our twenties, our political and religious convictions are for the most part set and not to be changed no matter the facts, no matter the logic, no matter the arguments. Of course, there are the rare exceptions to just about all rules, but for the most part my theory holds true under scrutiny (as many have agreed with me over time).
Accordingly, it is interesting the time and effort invested in such debates when the fact of the matter is that no one is likely to change their mind.
Or shall we test my theory again perhaps here?
Anyone have a strong opinion or belief about something important, say for example a typically conservative or liberal opinion about a topic here, and then change their mind as a result of a post that was contrary to their prior opinion or belief?
I don't know where you put the "middle class", but Obama and Romney got 61% and 38%, respectively, from voters with income $50K or less (and Obama was just about even with Romney on voters making between $50-100K). So a lot of middle class people felt that Obama and Democrats represented their interests well (or better).
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Originally Posted by lionsgators
there haven't been middle class tax cuts. there have been middle class tax shifts. the cost of my middle class health insurance has gone up to subsidize the poor. I pay taxes on my cell phone bill to ensure subsidized cell phones for the poor. again, this doesn't help the middle class. it helps the poor. it punishes the middle class.
Actually, when President Obama took office, he did indeed issue a tax cut, it was called the Payroll Tax cut(it has a longer official name).
That tax cut indeed helped you.
Your middle class health care also didnt go up to subsidize the poor, your healthcare when up because your insurance company wanted to maximize profits. Premiums rose at the lowest pace in 15 years this last year. If you were actually subsidizing the poor in the capacity to which you claim, your premiums and overall cost would have been at a record high comparatively and they were not.
As for your cell phone argument, I thought this was about Democrats, the USF. telec0mmunications act, and USAC was passed into law in 1996(A Republican Controlled congress), Introduced by Larry Pressler(R-SD) and passed 91-5(4 of 5 no votes were Democrats) and 414-16(all 16 no votes were Democrats)
Not only did you blame Democrats for something they didnt do and while they were in the minority, you blame them for something 99% of the other party supporting.
Actually, when President Obama took office, he did indeed issue a tax cut, it was called the Payroll Tax cut(it has a longer official name).
That tax cut indeed helped you.
Your middle class health care also didnt go up to subsidize the poor, your healthcare when up because your insurance company wanted to maximize profits. Premiums rose at the lowest pace in 15 years this last year. If you were actually subsidizing the poor in the capacity to which you claim, your premiums and overall cost would have been at a record high comparatively and they were not.
As for your cell phone argument, I thought this was about Democrats, the USF. telec0mmunications act, and USAC was passed into law in 1996(A Republican Controlled congress), Introduced by Larry Pressler(R-SD) and passed 91-5(4 of 5 no votes were Democrats) and 414-16(all 16 no votes were Democrats)
Not only did you blame Democrats for something they didnt do and while they were in the minority, you blame them for something 99% of the other party supporting.
this was about how democrats help the middle class. you can clearly read, but perhaps you should stop reading too into what I am saying. both parties HATE the middle class.
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