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Old 07-28-2015, 12:34 PM
 
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No answers to this?
Regarding the apprenticeship system, yes, from what I've read, I think it is a very good idea to teach young people who want to go down that route of blending traditional high school with skills training to learn a trade and create employable workers. Guys especially can benefit greatly from this I feel as many guys are not made for a purely academic high school system.
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Old 07-28-2015, 12:46 PM
 
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Regarding the apprenticeship system, yes, from what I've read, I think it is a very good idea to teach young people who want to go down that route of blending traditional high school with skills training to learn a trade and create employable workers. Guys especially can benefit greatly from this I feel as many guys are not made for a purely academic high school system.
It works well in Germany, no doubt.

However, separating kids at age 12 onto an academic track or a vocational track would elicits howls and riots by both Right and Left in the USA.

It jives with our "Everyone can go to College" values.

Germany also has no minimum wage. That would really popular here as well.
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Old 07-28-2015, 01:22 PM
 
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They basically see many other greener pastures but do not look at what makes those mentioned northern European countries different for say Greece; Italy and Spain. One only has to look that Germany during the unification of suddenly getting a broke socialist former east Germany to support. Many of the other European countries basically laughed then they did structural reforms; they are not laughing anymore. If you look at Norway what you see is the economy is mostly a small country driven by oil revenues. Heck the Saudis are much more wealth nation than any of them. You would be hard pressed to find a Saudi who does any physical labor; they hire foreigners for that. That liberals where not born with a black spoon in their mouth is just their fate as some would say.
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Old 07-28-2015, 01:24 PM
 
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Nope, what they really want is Cuba.
Exactly. Liberals say they want the US to be more like Western Europe but insist on importing people from third world countries. Go figure.
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Old 07-28-2015, 01:26 PM
 
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Exactly. Liberals say they want the US to be more like Western Europe but insist on importing people from third world countries. Go figure.
While Liberals in Europe are not happy with Europe, and are turning it into Eurabia.
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Old 07-28-2015, 01:29 PM
 
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It works well in Germany, no doubt.

However, separating kids at age 12 onto an academic track or a vocational track would elicits howls and riots by both Right and Left in the USA.

It jives with our "Everyone can go to College" values.

Germany also has no minimum wage. That would really popular here as well.

Yeah, Moth, I think it could be better to let the youth choose at a later age, like they do in the Scandinavian countries, around 15-16.

Actually, Germany just introduced a minimum wage for the first time. But from what I understand, countries that do not have minimum wage in Europe, like the Scandinavian countries have a system of collective bargaining so for all intents and purposes, they have a minimum wage floor which is about 15-20 bucks an hour.
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Old 07-28-2015, 01:31 PM
 
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While Liberals in Europe are not happy with Europe, and are turning it into Eurabia.
That's because liberalism is an ideology of self-loathing.
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Old 07-28-2015, 01:33 PM
 
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They basically see many other greener pastures but do not look at what makes those mentioned northern European countries different for say Greece; Italy and Spain. One only has to look that Germany during the unification of suddenly getting a broke socialist former east Germany to support. Many of the other European countries basically laughed then they did structural reforms; they are not laughing anymore. If you look at Norway what you see is the economy is mostly a small country driven by oil revenues. Heck the Saudis are much more wealth nation than any of them. You would be hard pressed to find a Saudi who does any physical labor; they hire foreigners for that. That liberals where not born with a black spoon in their mouth is just their fate as some would say.
Keep in mind, Saudis in general dont work and dont pay taxes, while people in Norway have higher employment rates than people in America. So Saudi Arabia and Norway are polar opposite in pretty much everything. The systems in all Scandinavian countries are pretty much the same, oil or no oil, with politicians that respond to the demands of the people.
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Old 07-28-2015, 01:37 PM
 
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Yeah, Moth, I think it could be better to let the youth choose at a later age, like they do in the Scandinavian countries, around 15-16.

Actually, Germany just introduced a minimum wage for the first time. But from what I understand, countries that do not have minimum wage in Europe, like the Scandinavian countries have a system of collective bargaining so for all intents and purposes, they have a minimum wage floor which is about 15-20 bucks an hour.
Yet the average disposable income in the Scandinavian countries is lower than in the US.
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Old 07-28-2015, 01:39 PM
 
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Yeah, Moth, I think it could be better to let the youth choose at a later age, like they do in the Scandinavian countries, around 15-16.

Actually, Germany just introduced a minimum wage for the first time. But from what I understand, countries that do not have minimum wage in Europe, like the Scandinavian countries have a system of collective bargaining so for all intents and purposes, they have a minimum wage floor which is about 15-20 bucks an hour.

15 to 20 bucks an hour don't go to far in Scandinavia.

In any case, I think apprenticeships a fine idea. However, the German model works splendidly because...well... it is in Germany. You are talking about something that descends from the guilds of the Middle Ages and is thus very cultural in nature.

Besides with the huge amount of cheap and illegal labor we are gleefully importing from the Third World, such a concept does not stand much of a chance here.

There are some apprenticeships via the unions around here. How well they work, I do not know.

Correct, Germany just adopted a minimum wage- I guess they found something American worth copying.
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