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I am for ending the EPA in the red states too. I would never want the GOP to get their hands on Seattle and Puget Sound. They'd probably kill the whales before the sun set.
Consider all of the actual environmental destruction it cares not a whit about: the amplified ultra-low-frequency car audio, the fart cans, HID lamps, city light pollution, GMO infections across farm boundaries, sodium fluoride in tap, pharmaceuticals in sewage....
Do you honestly believe the EPA polices those things? If so, how are they to go about doing so?
Where do emergency vehicle sirens fit in? Fireworks displays? Lawn mowers? How about the sound you endure while a dentist drills your teeth? The early morning alarm clock?
What really stumps me is HID lamps and light pollution. Really?
To that I'll add heavy machinery back-up alarms. And car alarms, and horns.
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Do you honestly believe the EPA polices those things?
It doesn't have a legislative mandate to police what it's trying to do now.
Elsewhere, there is a destructive amount of noise, chemical, light pollution that it cares nothing about. In urban settings it effects a significant toll on health, productivity, and quality of life.
In other words, as soon as the EPA wasn't thrilled with things like fracking, they made an enemy of the GOP. The GOP wants the EPA to just say yes to any scheme they come up with, with a nod and a wink. Because they don't, the EPA has been a GOP target. By all means, let's get rid of the EPA as long as the country knows it was the GOP that did it. When people start seeing the result, the GOP will be 100% responsible. Of course, the damage will be done and maybe some casualties, but we can end the EPA argument and what it's really about. The GOP has been against the environment for a long time. It wasn't always this way but the GOP wasn't always this way either.
You are William Shatner on an airplane on The Twilight Zone, right? The GOP is the creature attempting to peel back the engine cowl in your scenario.
You are William Shatner on an airplane on The Twilight Zone, right? The GOP is the creature attempting to peel back the engine cowl in your scenario.
That was John Lithgow. And yes. Pro-environment Republican is practically an oxymoron. The GOP came out against the environment long ago and they own it now.
Can you give some examples to support your statement in bold above?
Here is a few examples of the stupidity of the EPA.
Estimates on the new mercury standards that closed many older coal plants suggest deposition rates here in the US will drop 1 to 10 percent and result in the average IQ increasing 2/1000 of one point. That's becsue it's global issue, US coal plants account for about 1 percent of the global pool. It will have nearly no affect here or globally.
In Texas they were allowing refiners to use flexible measures to meet pollution standards. For example if you were producing 10 pounds of pollution from two processes for total of 20 pounds and needed to reduce it by 10 pounds you could eliminate 10 pounds from one process. This is much more economical and the end result is the same. The EPA stopped this practice.
New efficiency standards dictate that hot water heaters over 50 gallons be heated by heat pumps as that is the only thing that could possibly meet the efficiency required. This does not take the whole process into account. They rob heat from the home, while this would be desirable in warmer climate in colder climate it will cost you more money and energy to run them during cold weather when you are heating the house.
This is just a small sampling. Should we get into clothes washers that will not allow for really hot water to be used? Refrigerators that have issues with defrosting? Dishwashers that don't clean dishes? Nozzles on gas containers that cause a lot of spilled gas? Expensive ethanol in my gas tank that is destroying small engines and older cars?
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Do you honestly believe the EPA polices those things? If so, how are they to go about doing so? 
