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Old 08-06-2015, 07:54 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
Mixing apples and oranges.

Voting is a right, buying alcohol and boarding an airplane are not basic rights.

By the way if you can board an airplane you can vote, the issue has a good deal to do with those that have no licenses or expired licenses.

The idea isn't to make it tougher for people to vote, particularly when it discriminates against minorities.
You are not telling the truth. Every black person I know has an ID.
Who do you know that doesn't have an ID?
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Old 08-06-2015, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Smile Texas Voter ID law Struck down.

Good.
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Old 08-06-2015, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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You are not telling the truth. Every black person I know has an ID.
Who do you know that doesn't have an ID?
How many black people do you know? You need to go back and read the OP's link and the various threads from places like the Brennan Center.

But since we are sharing anecdotes here are just a few.

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A disabled woman in Travis County was turned away from voting because she couldn’t afford to pay her parking tickets. An IHOP dishwasher from Mercedes can’t afford the cost of getting a new birth certificate, which he would need to obtain the special photo ID card required for voting. A student at a historically black college in Marshall, who registered some of her fellow students to vote, won't be able to cast a ballot herself because her driver's license isn't from Texas and the state wouldn't accept her student identification card
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Old 08-06-2015, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Iowa
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
Mixing apples and oranges.

Voting is a right, buying alcohol and boarding an airplane are not basic rights.

By the way if you can board an airplane you can vote, the issue has a good deal to do with those that have no licenses or expired licenses.

The idea isn't to make it tougher for people to vote, particularly when it discriminates against minorities.
I keep hearing this from the left but I don't get the logic there. Who's proposing that they only check the IDs of minorities? That's basically what you're saying.

Voting needs to be taken seriously, it has consequences. If your ID expires and you can't vote, that's on you. You can't blame anyone else.
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Old 08-06-2015, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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"It is said to obtain one is a burden on the poor and minorities."

This argument was used in NC WHEN photo ID was being discussed yet, in the last election, the black VOTE WAS up AFTER it was passed.

There could be many reasons for a large turnout by blacks, one has nothing to do with the other. The point is the prevention of minority voters.

North Carolina just changed their voting law in June to remove the requirement for a voter ID as they were also being challenged in the courts.
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Old 08-06-2015, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Voter ID laws do not violate the Voting Rights Act or the Constitution. Quite a few states have Voter ID that has been found to be in compliance. What sets the Texas law apart is that it is the most restrictive in the nation when it comes to the IDs accepted and, to the courts, appears to have been crafted with the intention of disenfranchising certain subsets of otherwise eligible voters. It would be a simple matter for Texas to modify its law to fix the objectionable parts while preserving their goal of reducing the probability of voter identification fraud. This was a unanimous decision against them. Maybe they will just do the right thing.
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Old 08-06-2015, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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I keep hearing this from the left but I don't get the logic there. Who's proposing that they only check the IDs of minorities? That's basically what you're saying.

Voting needs to be taken seriously, it has consequences. If your ID expires and you can't vote, that's on you. You can't blame anyone else.
Who siad they only check the ID's of minorities, the issue is that the requirement disproportunately impacts those at the bottom, particularly latinos and blacks.

Voting rights should be taken serioulsy, we shouldn't make it more difficult.

This is a solution in search of a problem.
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Old 08-06-2015, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
How many black people do you know? You need to go back and read the OP's link and the various threads from places like the Brennan Center.

But since we are sharing anecdotes here are just a few.
Many states have brought down the cost of obtaining birth certificates.

In NYC it's $8 online, $2 in person and free if you mail in the request form.
CA though still has pretty high fees..$25. But even that is not all that much.
It's not like people need to save up $500 or something.

So rather than bash the Voter ID law why not ask "Why are states charging so much for birth certificates" which are pretty important beyond voting.

Instead of going after Voter ID why not go after some of the barriers preventing people from obtaining an ID like the high cost of birth certificates.

It should not cost $25 for a clerk to look up on the computer and hit a "print" button.
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Old 08-06-2015, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Voter ID laws do not violate the Voting Rights Act or the Constitution. Quite a few states have Voter ID that has been found to be in compliance. What sets the Texas law apart is that it is the most restrictive in the nation when it comes to the IDs accepted and, to the courts, appears to have been crafted with the intention of disenfranchising certain subsets of otherwise eligible voters. It would be a simple matter for Texas to modify its law to fix the objectionable parts while preserving their goal of reducing the probability of voter identification fraud. This was a unanimous decision against them. Maybe they will just do the right thing.
They are no more restrictive than what the Fed requires as valid forms of ID.


Category A and B establish ID. Category C is for establishing authorization to work in the US.

http://www.uscis.gov/i-9-central/acceptable-documents
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Old 08-06-2015, 09:14 AM
 
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You are not telling the truth. Every black person I know has an ID.
Who do you know that doesn't have an ID?
Maybe you aren't the intended and Democrats are using you, making you look stupid and lazy so they can bring the dead back to life and bring people in to vote, after all they won't have to prove they are a U.S. citizen.
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