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Old 08-19-2015, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Libertarian requires a person to think and actually make some effort for himself. Nobody has time for that.
The issue is how far individual rights go and when do individual actions effect others. A good example is noise pollution. For example, i can ghetto blast under libertarian principle until the point I effect others, in particular hurt someone. Now the question is do I know when it goes that far? It's not like theft or punching someone where the the results are clear. With noise pollution, people can feign injury to your force or actually have effects and none may be the wiser.
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Old 08-19-2015, 10:00 AM
 
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Libertarian requires a person to think and actually make some effort for himself. Nobody has time for that.
Praxeology isn't a valid economic theory, it's a belief system. There's a reason why libertarians reject empirical evidence to verify their claims.
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Old 08-19-2015, 10:13 AM
 
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Rand is a snot.

Trump is a rebel without a pause.

McCain is what Trump said he was.
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Old 08-19-2015, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Rand is a snot.

Trump is a rebel without a pause.

McCain is what Trump said he was.
Sadly, he tapped into the Ron Paul crazy electorate, the xenophobic vote and the anti-establishment vote. Congratulations Democrats, your nominee will be president.
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Old 08-19-2015, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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What is a " libertarian nation" ? Can you give me an example of one.
Anyone?
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Old 08-19-2015, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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What is a " libertarian nation" ? Can you give me an example of one.
Basically it is a free market society with no police force, no legal system and people decide between disputes similar to a court and if you don't comply it isn't uncommon to see societal sanctions against you providing it don't play into the non aggressive pact. Any way, that is the utopian libertarian nation. The closest to this I've heard is African tribes.
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Old 08-19-2015, 01:16 PM
 
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Basically it is a free market society with no police force, no legal system and people decide between disputes similar to a court and if you don't comply it isn't uncommon to see societal sanctions against you providing it don't play into the non aggressive pact. Any way, that is the utopian libertarian nation. The closest to this I've heard is African tribes.
Many of Ron Paul's prescription might seem impractical for today. and I too think they are.

for instance his suggestion that every citizen can individually sue an oil company for polluting water might be an example.

But in Politics, People are always pushing for the extreme to give it away on the negotiating table for something slightly better than today.

Ron Paul's calls for the Gold Standard while he knows it can't be done. but using that leverage we might eventually be able to see what sweat heart deals the Fed and Treasury are handing over to the Banks.

His call for not going abroad is another one of those. Of Course we can't over night withdraw from all the countries we have bases in. But do we need to build more aircraft careers than the Entire world combined.

only one our Career Strike groups can easily block all traffic in and out Chinese Ports. Do We need to be "paying" for Europe's Defense? while Germany, Italy, France, Netherlands, Britain, Poland all have enough money to pay for their own defense.


Ron's Ideas are never supposed to be implemented straight out in the real world.

He is just creating an intellectual basis for why the government has gone too far in foreign adventures and the security State.
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Old 08-19-2015, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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Many of Ron Paul's prescription might seem impractical for today. and I too think they are.

for instance his suggestion that every citizen can individually sue an oil company for polluting water might be an example.

But in Politics, People are always pushing for the extreme to give it away on the negotiating table for something slightly better than today.

Ron Paul's calls for the Gold Standard while he knows it can't be done. but using that leverage we might eventually be able to see what sweat heart deals the Fed and Treasury are handing over to the Banks.

His call for not going abroad is another one of those. Of Course we can't over night withdraw from all the countries we have bases in. But do we need to build more aircraft careers than the Entire world combined.

only one our Career Strike groups can easily block all traffic in and out Chinese Ports. Do We need to be "paying" for Europe's Defense? while Germany, Italy, France, Netherlands, Britain, Poland all have enough money to pay for their own defense.


Ron's Ideas are never supposed to be implemented straight out in the real world.

He is just creating an intellectual basis for why the government has gone too far in foreign adventures and the security State.
The problem with the Ron Paul base is there are "foaming at the mouth" Paul "crazies" (the same as the ones who have turned to Trump) actually believe in going back to the gold standard and getting rid of the fed.
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Old 08-19-2015, 03:14 PM
 
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What is a " libertarian nation" ? Can you give me an example of one.

Can you give me an example of a liberal nation? Holland and Sweden don't count because they have just as many conservatives as liberals in parliament and they have to compromise on everything.

Any nation ruled by one political philosophy exclusively can only do so if it is either authoritarian or totalitarian. Libertarianism is against both totalitarianism and authoritarianism. Hence, any nation that is under complete control of libertarians would not be libertarian.

Some are more libertarian than others, with Switzerland being perhaps the most libertarian country on Earth (they never fight foreign wars, everyone has a gun, no minimum wage, low corporate taxes, greater economic freedom than the US etc

9 Reasons Libertarians Should Love Switzerland | Foundation for Economic Education

The old, tired "you can't name one libertarian country!" argument falls apart after thirty seconds of thought.
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Old 08-19-2015, 03:21 PM
 
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The problem with the Ron Paul base is there are "foaming at the mouth" Paul "crazies" (the same as the ones who have turned to Trump) actually believe in going back to the gold standard and getting rid of the fed.

Yes, and Obama's base believe in the TPP, banning all guns, corporate welfare etc. No? But they still voted for him, didn't they?

Likewise, most Ron Paul supporters never agreed with everything he was saying. And he even compromised on the gold standard saying he would settle for laws permitting alternative currencies, like gold, for people to trade with.

I know, absurd. No one would ever, EVER buy or sell with anything but US dollars and no government would ever ban an alternative currency...oh...wait...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/top-...itcoin-banned/


Most Ron Paul supporters liked him because he was the only one who was willing to admit that the US government's foreign policy is what is fueling terrorism, and that he was the only candidate willing to look the camera in the face and say "the war on drugs is racist and needs to stop" and he was the only candidate serious about our national debt.
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