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Also white and black social ills cannot be equally measured against each other since both groups did not have equal educational and economic conditions due to detriment felt by black Americans as a result of societal racism.
Any subsequent failure to even support oneself and one's dependents, unwed births, or the avoidance of violent acts, etc., is on them if they don't take advantage of the opportunity society has given them by spending THE MOST on their public education.
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Sorry, I haven't found that to be true. My husband and I were so poor when we were newlyweds that we lived in a dive of an apartment that only heated up to 59 degrees in the cold Chicago winters. We were really poor, then. We're not, now. And there are millions more just like us who have similar experiences. If acquiring wealth were so hard, how have so many of us been able to do so? 80% of US millionaires are first-generation wealthy.
Your argument was that since black people are still poor and have problems, then that means they have not tried to get out of their situation or havent listened to such advice.
Surely, in all your travels as a wealthy person, you have met a number of people who took such advice, but failed.
As for the comment about wealth. There are multiple problems with it.
80% of Americans are not millionaires. Using that number is a misdirection commonly used by people who want to bolster their argument. Like how people bring up the "real unemployment rate".
there are 11 million people(total population of family, not just adults) that are millionaires. That means 8.8 million of them are first time millionaires(again, this includes the kids).
that means a whopping 2.9% of Americans can expect to become millionaires by the time they die.
I would also like to remind you that the "millionaire" number is based on assets, not liquid funds. I dont think any sane person considers you a millionaire if you have 600,000 House; 100,000 in insured property with the home and 300,000 spread out over savings, 401Ks and so on.
Black people don't seem to have the ability to straighten out their own problems. White people could help Blacks straighten them out, but the methods used, such as heavy policing, would be called acts of racism. So there's not really much more Whites can do. It's best to just let Blacks take care of Black problems and let the chips fall where they may.
I've read that African Americans should straighten out our own problems and I genuinely believe there is a great deal of truth in that statement, but since we haven't come up with a workable solution, I was wondering if white people would be so kind as to tell us how white people solved the problems of violence, guns, criminality, unwed mothers and welfare dependency amongst white people.
While I am patiently await your suggestions, let me just say thank you in advance.
Don't get pregnant at 15
Stay in school and get a high school diploma. for a start,
You do realize the black Americans today are much better off educationally and economically since the 1960s right? Even with all our "imperfections."
Also white and black social ills cannot be equally measured against each other since both groups did not have equal educational and economic conditions due to detriment felt by black Americans as a result of societal racism.
" both groups did not have equal educational and economic conditions"
I call B.S.on your claims.
Free high school education is provided to ALL. If many in the black community DON'T take advantage of it, whose fault is that?
Your argument was that since black people are still poor and have problems, then that means they have not tried to get out of their situation or havent listened to such advice.
Surely, in all your travels as a wealthy person, you have met a number of people who took such advice, but failed.
Actually, no, I haven't. Without fail, every successful person I've met (as they themselves define it; success is different things to different people) has taken advantage of everything society has provided for them no matter how bleak anyone thinks that may have been. And that includes people of all ages and races/ethnicities.
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80% of Americans are not millionaires. Using that number is a misdirection commonly used by people who want to bolster their argument.
That's NOT what I said, and it's NO misdirection. 80% of US millionaires are first-generation wealthy. Read The Millionaire Next Door, updated in 2010, most recent updated edition published in 2010, I believe.
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I would also like to remind you that the "millionaire" number is based on assets, not liquid funds. I dont think any sane person considers you a millionaire if you have 600,000 House; 100,000 in insured property with the home and 300,000 spread out over savings, 401Ks and so on.
It's based on net worth. Assets minus liabilities.
Any subsequent failure to even support oneself and one's dependents, unwed births, or the avoidance of violent acts, etc., is on them if they don't take advantage of the opportunity society has given them by spending THE MOST on their public education.
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DID NOT is past tense.
You spoke of Dr. King. He died in the 1960s.
His words were already being adhered to and still are.
I know you like to banter back and forth about education and expenditures, but please pay attention to tense. Whites in America did not have to contend with a denial of participation in our educational system, housing market, job prospects/economic conditions, or intense racial prejudices like black Americans did up through the 1970s. Since that time, we have many more opportunities but due to the majority of us having a recent background in poverty and discriminatory practices, black people today will naturally have more social ills due to only being one generation removed from abject poverty and intense discrimination.
In the 1950s about 70% of blacks lived in poverty in this country. Today over 70% do not. That is a 100% turn around and is built upon the fact that blacks have indeed taken advantage of the opportunities that were finally afforded to us on a wide scale.
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