Fact: If everyone had guns, we'd all be safer (invasion, illegals, constitution)

[Teilhard]

Originally Posted by hawk55732

That would fall under accidental discharge. Would fall under improper handling of a firearm.

A family member shot dead by accident is just as dead as if murdered by an intruder ...

[hawk55732]

Originally Posted by Teilhard

A family member shot dead by accident is just as dead as if murdered by an intruder ...

And someone killed in a car crash is just as dead as if shot by someone improperly handling a firearm.

[It is 57 below zero]

Originally Posted by hawk55732

And someone killed in a car crash is just as dead as if shot by someone improperly handling a firearm.

Because a car's normal use is not as a weapon, although it can be used as a weapon, if drunk driving, drowsy driving, or reckless driving, etc. is in the equation. But strangely enough, someone being killed by a car crash would be convicted of manslaughter rather than murder.

So if the above quote was true, do you think that the drunk driving crash of May 14, 1988 should be classified as a massacre?

[hawk55732]

Originally Posted by It is 57 below zero

Because a car's normal use is not as a weapon, although it can be used as a weapon, if drunk driving, drowsy driving, or reckless driving, etc. is in the equation. But strangely enough, someone being killed by a car crash would be convicted of manslaughter rather than murder.

So if the above quote was true, do you think that the drunk driving crash of May 14, 1988 should be classified as a massacre?

What happened on that date?

[stan4]

Originally Posted by Teilhard

The suicide question is gruesome and ghastly …

Suicide by gun is near the top in lethality, along with jumping from a high place and hanging …

Suicide attempt by gentler means -- car crash, pills, etc. -- more often allows survival …

Many people who survive their suicide attempt are later glad for another chance at life …

So, yes, suicide by gun is especially cruel in its near certain finality …
Do we really want that for our families and neighbors and friends … ???

The people who use guns or other more extreme measures want finality.
They will find finality without guns.

The pill people are usually more a cry for help.

[It is 57 below zero]

Originally Posted by hawk55732

What happened on that date?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carr..._bus_collision

This is a tragic crash where 27 people died. Yet, some people called it murder just like the person had a gun.

[hawk55732]

The guy was drinking. He knew that drinking and driving was wrong and can cause this kind of thing. Doesn't matter the weapon, if you kill someone like that it should be murder.

Your point is thou?

[Teilhard]

Originally Posted by hawk55732

And someone killed in a car crash is just as dead as if shot by someone improperly handling a firearm.

Exactly so … and we don't allow just anybody to drive a car, as if it is a God-given right …

We don't think that the way to have fewer car crashes is to have more and more and more people driving cars everywhere with no licensing, no restrictions ...

[Teilhard]

Originally Posted by stan4

The people who use guns or other more extreme measures want finality.
They will find finality without guns.

The pill people are usually more a cry for help.

No … Again, mental health counselor here …

A suicide attempt is a suicide attempt -- not just a "cry for help" …

Generally, males tend to choose more violent acts -- shooting, jumping, hanging -- while females tend toward pills ...

[mike1003]

Originally Posted by incognitoe

Just like if every country had Nukes, the world would be safer.

This is why the US and Israel doesn't want anyone else to have Nukes. They want to be the one calling the shots.

Wow what an intelligent statement!

My owning weapons has nothing to do with nukes