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Old 10-01-2015, 01:06 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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There are many exemptions to the mandate
That's what the 13,000+ no/low cost HRSA-referred health clinics are for.
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Old 10-01-2015, 01:08 PM
 
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That's what the 13,000+ no/low cost HRSA-referred health clinics are for.
Of which many can't provide the services that Planned Parenthood does. Dentists don't do PAP smears, and no matter how hard you wish they could, it's not going to happen.
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Old 10-01-2015, 01:08 PM
 
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Because gynecologists don't refer patients elsewhere?
Not nearly as frequently as NPs do. PP is NOT a full service women's health care provider.
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Old 10-01-2015, 01:10 PM
 
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Of which many can't provide the services that Planned Parenthood does. Dentists don't do PAP smears, and no matter how hard you wish they could, it's not going to happen.
Cite exactly how many of the 13,000+ clinics are dentists.
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Old 10-01-2015, 01:10 PM
 
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Not nearly as frequently as NPs do. PP is NOT a full service women's health care provider.
It's unfortunate for you, then, that so many Planned Parenthood clinics have DOCTORS, even GYNECOLOGISTS on staff. And perform a range of services similar to any gynecologist's office.
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Old 10-01-2015, 01:11 PM
 
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Cite exactly how many of the 13,000+ clinics are dentists.
Cite exactly how many of the 13,000+ clinics can perform all the services that Planned Parenthood provides.
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Old 10-01-2015, 01:15 PM
 
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It's unfortunate for you, then, that so many Planned Parenthood clinics have DOCTORS, even GYNECOLOGISTS on staff. And perform a range of services similar to any gynecologist's office.
Listed as "on staff." Actually performing the women's health care services? Prove it.

Elizabeth Warren was Harvard Law School faculty, but actually only taught one class for her $350K salary. See how that works?
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Old 10-01-2015, 01:26 PM
 
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Listed as "on staff." Actually performing the women's health care services? Prove it.

Elizabeth Warren was Harvard Law School faculty, but actually only taught one class for her $350K salary. See how that works?
The inherent problem with your argument is that doctors perform abortions. So the Planned Parenthood clinics you want to shut down are the ones WITH doctors. The Planned Parenthood clinics that don't have doctors, if they exist, don't perform abortions, so you should be fine with the services they are providing.

See how that works?
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Old 10-01-2015, 01:37 PM
 
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There are many exemptions to the mandate:
People who are too poor to afford even subsidized health care policies are not mandated to buy it. Those who also make too much under their state Medicaid policies cannot get Medicaid. So if you make too much for Medicaid and not enough to afford even a subsidized commercial plan, you are uninsured, and there are millions of people in that situation.
Exactly! And add to that the millions of non-disabled, non-elderly, childless adults who earn less than $14,670 a year and live in a state without expanded medicaid, they have ZERO coverage.
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Old 10-01-2015, 02:07 PM
 
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https://www.plannedparenthood.org/le...al-health-care

"Planned Parenthood health centers around the country offer you the health care you need. Our caring and knowledgeable staff provide a wide range of services. Many health centers provide general health care."

Most gynecologists do not see men. PP does.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/men

Despite allegations to the contrary, PP provides the same outpatient gynecology care that any GYN office would, with an emphasis on contraception and prevention of STDs. They serve a predominantly pre-menopausal age group. Look up any specific PP office and you can find out exactly what services you can get at that office.

Do they refer patients to other providers? Sure they do, and so does every gynecologist. Do they employ gynecologists and NPs? Sure they do.

The thesis of the OP that PP is somehow misleading people about mammography is bogus. They do breast exams, help patients get scheduled for mammograms if they need them, and subsidize the cost for some women. Private gynecologists do the same thing - except they do not have anything to do with how their patients pay for them.

Most gynecologists in private practice do only GYN. They do not see men and they do not provide general health care, although that varies with the training and interests of the individual physician. Planned Parenthood's services also vary from location to location. Gee whiz, there are PP locations that do no abortions at all.

Cut funding to PP and there will be people left with no place to get services.

Women's Health System Unready For Planned Parenthood Cuts

"As many as one-quarter of Planned Parenthood's patients -- hundreds of thousands of people -- would lose access to medical care if Congress cut the funding, the Congressional Budget Office estimated."

"In Louisiana, Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast is under threat of being cut off by Gov. Bobby Jindal (R), whose health department attempted to argue there were thousands of other physicians to treat women -- but included dentists and eye doctors on its list of alternatives to Planned Parenthood."

"And although there are 9,200 community health centers nationwide -- vastly more than the 700 Planned Parenthood clinics -- they're legally required to be in places where there's a shortage of other providers, and are not necessarily near a current Planned Parenthood clinic. While these facilities do provide women's health services, they don't employ enough OB/GYNs to take on hundreds of thousands of additional patients, said DeFrancesco."

"Free clinics also would struggle to take in former Planned Parenthood patients, said Nicole Lamoureux, the CEO of the Alexandria, Virginia-based National Association of Free and Charitable Clinics, which represents more than 1,200 facilities.

'If the government does decide to withdraw funding for Planned Parenthood, we will do what we always have done, which is step up and attempt to serve those people who need help in the best way that we can,' Lamoureux said. 'But there needs to be an understanding that there is only so much capacity at our clinics.'"

Private doctors are not going to be taking large numbers of uninsured people who cannot pay for services either.

The community health clinics, free clinics, and private doctors will not be able to absorb the patients cast adrift if funding is cut to PP.

Not previously mentioned is the fact that there are some who consider just about every contraceptive method available to be abortifacient. Not only do they want PP out of business because it provides abortions, they want it out of business because it provides IUDs and the morning after pill.
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