UAW votes down Fiat Chrysler contract (unemployed, generation, states, Tennessee)

[ALackOfCreativity]

The union is in a really hard place trying to thread the needle to satisfy both tiers and the focus on the healthcare thing which is about what they want more-so than the workers themselves makes it all the harder. I don't know enough to have much of an opinion myself but find it interesting. How does this impact the negotiations with Ford & GM later -- is it pretty much that whatever the first company to make a deal signs to becomes standard?

[roadrat]

Originally Posted by Blue Grass Fever

UAW votes down Fiat Chrysler contract

https://www.facebook.com/autoworkerc...type=3&theater

Discuss and opine!

Looks like Fiat/Chrysler needs to move to Tennessee, get a fresh start in a non-Union state.


Bill

[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by texan2yankee

This story reminded me of Apollo Management. They bought Hostess Twinkies out of liquidation, fired 19,000 unionized workers and now manufactures the same number of sugar snacks with 1,100 workers and robots. If employers are faced with very expensive labor costs, businesses will figure out how to run their operations with a smaller, robotic, or overseas labor force.

No Wonder: Twinkies Owner Adds Bread - WSJ

[HappyTexan]

The USG is not going to rescue the UAW again when the company goes bankrupt.

[HappyTexan]

The UAW says it's about safety and security of their workers.

Other articles that interviewed the workers though said it was about money.

Starting salaries going from $17/hour to $25/hour
Every worker gets a $3000 bonus.
Two 3% raises for workers hired before 2007.

And the workers said "No, not good enough".

Jefferson North workers deliver big blow to proposed UAW - FCA deal

[djmilf]

Just to clarify, from the Freep link:

"Entry-level workers in assembly plants would see wages increase to a range of $17 to $25.35 per hour"

HappyTexan's phrasing lead me to believe that the proposed contract had the wage of a new hire was going from $17 to $25 per hour -- it's not.

[T-310]

Seems like workers are pricing themselves out of a job.

[Blue Grass Fever]

Originally Posted by ALackOfCreativity

The union is in a really hard place trying to thread the needle to satisfy both tiers and the focus on the healthcare thing which is about what they want more-so than the workers themselves makes it all the harder. I don't know enough to have much of an opinion myself but find it interesting. How does this impact the negotiations with Ford & GM later -- is it pretty much that whatever the first company to make a deal signs to becomes standard?

This time around, there seems to be a general (and massive) disconnect from the shop floor to the IUAW (International).

FCA put out a memo saying it was "disappointed" in the young workforce. (people hired after the bankruptcy/Two-tiers)
It's almost to say FCA(and maybe IUAW) were relying on the younger workforce to pass through a bad contract, with the divide-and-conquer strategy in place.

[Blue Grass Fever]

Originally Posted by T-310

Seems like workers are pricing themselves out of a job.

Nah, it's more like "those goddam lazy-ass non-educated peons wanna cut into my effin' profits??!!!!"

[Blue Grass Fever]

Originally Posted by HappyTexan

The UAW says it's about safety and security of their workers.

Other articles that interviewed the workers though said it was about money.

Starting salaries going from $17/hour to $25/hour
Every worker gets a $3000 bonus.
Two 3% raises for workers hired before 2007.

And the workers said "No, not good enough".

Jefferson North workers deliver big blow to proposed UAW - FCA deal

The problem is the incessant accommodation for management and contracts are basically synonymous with concessions. On top of that, the International UAW seems to be complicit.