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Old 10-02-2015, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by hothulamaui View Post
one crazy man is not the entire nation.
Isn't that what we've been saying all along?

Funny how things get reversed and all of a sudden the left become coherent when it's a lunatic killing Christians.

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Christians are not being persecuted at all.

There. I just told you.
Neither are Muslims and Blacks
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Old 10-02-2015, 05:20 PM
 
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Isn't that what we've been saying all along?

Funny how things get reversed and all of a sudden the left become coherent when it's a lunatic killing Christians.



Neither are Muslims and Blacks
Huh? What are you talking about?

I said that Christians aren't being persecuted. That's what was asked by the OP.

When did I make a claim about Muslims or blacks. Show me.
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Old 10-02-2015, 06:01 PM
 
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Which of these categories is most persecuted in the U.S.:

Christians

Muslims

Jews

Blacks

Whites

Rich

Poor
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Old 10-02-2015, 06:02 PM
 
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You are right about this case, not about Charleston, He wasnt after Christians, he was after black people. They just happen to be Christians.
Right, then why didn't he target black Muslims at Islamic centers, or black organizations besides church?
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Old 10-02-2015, 06:22 PM
Status: "everybody getting reported now.." (set 19 days ago)
 
Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Right, then why didn't he target black Muslims at Islamic centers, or black organizations besides church?
The Church was an institution in and of itself, a place where black people met during the civil rights movement and even before that in a failed slave rebellion.

He wanted to attack a black icon, it just happened to be a church.
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Old 10-02-2015, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Right, then why didn't he target black Muslims at Islamic centers, or black organizations besides church?
Who knows? He was a nut job. But he did say himself that it was blacks he was gunning for.
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Old 10-02-2015, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Right, then why didn't he target black Muslims at Islamic centers, or black organizations besides church?
Are you actually trying to figure out the rationale of an irrational act?

[really?]
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Old 10-02-2015, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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After wanting to gouge my eyes out with a spoon after the second paragraph, I stopped reading. Why would I help you condense your writing into something concise?
Because I doubt there is a good way to make it more concise, which is my point.

The purpose was to explain that secular countries go to war far more than religious countries, and the biggest killer of humanity, and the biggest threat to humanity over at least the last century, has been secular governments(IE the ones with nuclear weapons).

I mean, when was the last time our vaunted enemy Iran, actually started a war with absolutely anyone?


Secondly, I needed to explain why secular governments exist in the first place. And it isn't because it was directly useful to "the people", but rather because it was useful to governments. In America, we needed secularism to unite diverse groups of people under a single government. And why did we need to unite diverse peoples together? Because we required a large government to protect ourselves from other large governments.

As Alexander Hamilton said in the Federalist Papers....

"In a state so insignificant our commerce would be a prey to the wanton intermeddlings of all nations at war with each other; who, having nothing to fear from us, would with little scruple or remorse, supply their wants by depredations on our property as often as it fell in their way. The rights of neutrality will only be respected when they are defended by an adequate power. A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral."


Everything which you ascribe to being "human progress", only exists because it has increased the power of governments. If it had made governments weaker, it would have made them less capable of defending themselves against other governments. Thus, the reason why certain political and economic systems dominate our world, isn't because they are beneficial to the people, but rather because those systems allow those who can use them, greater power.


And what is the greatest obstacle to state power? Religion. Which is why the Marxists, and other internationalists, despise religion. Why? Because it prevents their glorious Marxist one-world Utopia. Thus the only thing standing in the way of "Global governance" under the United Nations, is religion. Thus, those in power must attack and slander religion, and religious people, at every opportunity. These world power brokers, repeat the lies, exaggerations, and distortions about religion, until we are made to believe that religion is actually the root of all evil in the world. And the sooner it is gone, the better.


The question then is, "Would the world actually be better without religion?" And secondly, "Is it even possible to limit government without religion?"


What my libertarian and anarchist friends don't realize is that the only thing that can stop state power, is religion. My anarchist/libertarian friends are unintentionally aiding their enemies with their short-sighted moral-relativism. The game is "divide and conquer", and nothing is more divided than atheistic libertarianism/anarchism.

"No human society has ever been able to maintain both order and freedom, both cohesiveness and liberty apart from the moral precepts of the Christian Religion applied and accepted by all the classes. Should our republic ere forget this fundamental precept of governance, men are certain to shed their responsibilities for licentiousness and this great experiment will then surely be doomed." - John Jay
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Old 10-02-2015, 08:17 PM
 
Location: The Lone Star State
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And how do you know the religious view points of Democrats? Consider getting out of the echo chamber.
Religion Remains a Strong Marker of Political Identity in U.S. - Gallup
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Old 10-02-2015, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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The quote is an opinion - and a seemingly biased one at that - in addition to being very outdated. So why keep using it over and over?
Because it is true.
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